Revelation of Time Compression

If you think Time is infinite you cant imagine it so it it'd better if you think "time never stop".
Time never stop that means time is infinite.

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Here's a newsflash. She doesn't have to compress all time, only back to the first sorceress.

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TC Magic happens to absorb time.

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I agree with Ultimecia first having to compress it in order to absorb it.

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Explain it more detail.

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Actually Viator I said there is only set of people who know the truth the creators notice plural meaning I was talking about the people who created the game. Think before you post next time. Also you don't know that Ulti was the creator of TC there might have been countless Sorceresses who have tried to do it.

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Square never attempt to explain TC in Ultimania guide book.

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When you place more and more of something into a given volume without increading the volume, you compress it. As Ulti absorbs, she gathers more and more into her given volume. Compression occurs.

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I already said that you can imagine Ultimecia compressing time but the fact is She absorbing Time.

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Except Ulti's goal was to recast reality once it was fully compressed.

WRONG.

One word answers do not rebuttals make. You must provide a reason why I am wrong.

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Because Time cant be fully compressed.

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You've GOT to be joking. You are joking, right?

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No, I am not joking?
There's no such thing as "compressed time"

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"What is Sarcasm, Alex" "That is correct". Just because I say 'yes', it doesn't mean I agree with you. A tip, read my bit here again, but when I say 'yes', imagine I am rolling my eyes, because I am.

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You shouldnt say "yes" from the first time then.
What do you mean Alex?

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I think you are the one misunderstand the meaning of time.

If you've got a better one than the one I used several posts ago, I'd like to see it.

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I already explaining how time is infinite in My previous posts.
Well if you want to hear more explanation about Time read http://physics.nad.ru/engboard/messages/504.html

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There's nothing to understand. Your argument of finite time is based on a false premise.

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Not really,you just dont understand how time works.

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The second is an unsupported and incorrect assumption.

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All existance is infinite,for example parents have children and then that children will become parents and have children again and so on and on and on.So that means All Existance is infinite.

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And if Ulti's not attempting to become existence- then why is she attempting to consume it all?

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First you already misunderstand about "Ultimecia becoming all existance"
She consuming it all to rule all existance.
She never trying to become all existance.

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Key word: EMPIRICAL.

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Key word: PERSPECTIVE.

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How can you absorb something infinite? The same way.

Wrong answer.

It's not a wrong answer to point out the flaw in your thinking.

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Yes that is wrong answer because you CANT compress something infinite.

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Which does NOT in any way, shape or form rebut the points I made in the argument you were responding to. Theories do a GOOD JOB of explaining reality. Scientists think these explain this best, but are always on the look out for a better theory. Even those who FRONT these theories are willing to discard them if a better, more parsimonious theory can be advanced.

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Their theories about gravity explain the truth about how gravity works in this universe.So their theories about gravity is ther truth.

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One of your 'proofs' against TC is the time is infinite. This is only the case IF the crunch does not occur and the future stretches endlessly. If Ulti only concerns herself with the past and absorbs at a rate faster than the passage of time, then the problem of infinite time is an utter non issue.

It doesnt matter where Ulti cast the spell because Ultimecia is the center of TC.

Irrelevant response! I said nothing about casting the spell! I said there was an incredibly easy workaround to one of your key 'disproofs'. Since you didn't address this, CONCESSION ACCEPTED.

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You are talking about past thing I thought you are talking about casting the spell.
It is still a problem to compress time because time is infinite.
Time is infinite is an issue for Ultimecia to compress time that's why She absorb it.

I recommend you to read
http://physics.nad.ru/engboard/messages/504.html

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Originally Posted by Viator

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Here's a newsflash. She doesn't have to compress all time, only back to the first sorceress.

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TC Magic happens to absorb time.

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I agree with Ultimecia first having to compress it in order to absorb it.

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Explain it more detail.

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It seems you did not get the point of my post at all.
First, I do not need to explain that in more detail, because someone else already did it for me.
Second, my point was not about whether TC or TA is the correct answer. It was that all time did not have to be compressed for Ulty to achieve her goal. If she doesn't need to compress/absorb all time, it is irrelevant whether time is infinte or not.

But She needs absorbibg Time to achieve Time Compression.
So it is relevant whether time is finite or infinite.

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Originally Posted by Viator

If you think Time is infinite you cant imagine it so it it'd better if you think "time never stop".
Time never stop that means time is infinite.

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Except you have not proved that time is infinite.

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TC Magic happens to absorb time.

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We are debating this. You cannot make a priori assumptions about what is in disputer.

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Square never attempt to explain TC in Ultimania guide book.

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Which does nothing against the fact that they created the concept and have final say, NOR does it give you absolute leeway.

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I already said that you can imagine Ultimecia compressing time but the fact is She absorbing Time.

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*sigh*

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Originally Posted by me

When you place more and more of something into a given volume without increading the volume, you compress it. As Ulti absorbs, she gathers more and more into her given volume. Compression occurs.

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EVEN IF SHE ABSORBS, COMPRESSION IS A BYPRODUCT AND OCCURS ANYWAYS.

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Because Time cant be fully compressed.

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PROVE IT.

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No, I am not joking?
There's no such thing as "compressed time"

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A prior assumption. PROVE IT. The entire cast of FF8, AND its creators seems to think otherwise.

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You shouldnt say "yes" from the first time then.
What do you mean Alex?

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::Pulls out his list of things that go over Viator's head. Adds Sarcasm and obvious pop culture references to the bottom of the list::

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I already explaining how time is infinite in My previous posts.
Well if you want to hear more explanation about Time read http://physics.nad.ru/engboard/messages/504.html

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He begins with an unfounded assumption. IF time is as his unfounded assumption assume, he might have something. He does not prove his assumption, so he has nothing.

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Not really,you just dont understand how time works.

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"personal attack!" ::rolls eyes:: I dare say I understand far better than you do.

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All existance is infinite,for example parents have children and then that children will become parents and have children again and so on and on and on.So that means All Existance is infinite.

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Unless, of course, it all comes to an end. Which it very well may.

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First you already misunderstand about "Ultimecia becoming all existance"
She consuming it all to rule all existance.
She never trying to become all existance.

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Yet that's what her actions ENTAIL.

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Key word: PERSPECTIVE.

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And which one is scientifically, rationally, and logically valid? THAT'S RIGHT! EMPIRICAL!

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Yes that is wrong answer because you CANT compress something infinite.

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And you can't absorb anything infinite either.

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Their theories about gravity explain the truth about how gravity works in this universe.So their theories about gravity is ther truth.

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No.......... they are good explanations of an empirical observation of existence. Please stop confusing this with "the truth".

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You are talking about past thing I thought you are talking about casting the spell.
It is still a problem to compress time because time is infinite.
Time is infinite is an issue for Ultimecia to compress time that's why She absorb it.

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THE SAME PROBLEMS WILL BE HAD IN ATTEMPTING TO CONSUME THE INFINITE AS MUCH AS COMPRESSING IT, ESPECIALLY SINCE COMPRESSION IS PART AND PARCEL WITH CONSUMPTION.

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I recommend you to read
http://physics.nad.ru/engboard/messages/504.html

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I reccomend you stay away from pseudoscience BS in the future, which is what that link IS.

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Originally Posted by Viator

But She needs absorbibg Time to achieve Time Compression.
So it is relevant whether time is finite or infinite.

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Time Absorbtion and Time Compression would be equally possible or impossible regardless of time being finite or infinite.

Look at this:
Time Absorbtion will never complete if time in infinite, thus she will keep doing it forever.
Time Compression will never complete if time is infinite, thus she will keep doing it forever.

Me believing time compression is necessarily in order to then absorb it is pretty irrelevant to these points.

Alright I think we all confused about this "absorb" and "compress"
The meaning of compressing can become absorbing in Time Compression Condition.
So let we just say Ultimecia "consuming" Time.And because time is infinite the process of TC will go on forever.

Well the problem about absorbing and compressing solved.

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The process of TC is The Achievement of TC

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Here's a newsflash. She doesn't have to compress all time, only back to the first sorceress. That aside, I agree with Ultimecia first having to compress it in order to absorb it.

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Understood but still the process will go on forever.

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The process of TC is The Achievement of TC

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Except you have not proved that time is infinite.

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I already give the argument why time is infinite.
And again this Life is enough to prove time is infinite.
And I am sure you can prove time is infinite too.

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We are debating this. You cannot make a priori assumptions about what is in disputer.

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Let we figured it out then.

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I already said that you can imagine Ultimecia compressing time but the fact is She absorbing Time.

*sigh*

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Perspective.

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EVEN IF SHE ABSORBS, COMPRESSION IS A BYPRODUCT AND OCCURS ANYWAYS.

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Yeah the meaning of compressing and absorbing can become the same meaning in TC Condition, it only the matter how you look at that.

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PROVE IT.

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I am sure you can prove it yourself.

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A prior assumption. PROVE IT. The entire cast of FF8, AND its creators seems to think otherwise.

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There's no such thing like compressed time in the game.

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He begins with an unfounded assumption. IF time is as his unfounded assumption assume, he might have something. He does not prove his assumption, so he has nothing.

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His assumption makes sense.

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"personal attack!" ::rolls eyes:: I dare say I understand far better than you do.

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If that so you can prove time is infinite right?

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Unless, of course, it all comes to an end. Which it very well may.

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If that can come to an end... you go first...

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Yet that's what her actions ENTAIL.

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Dont misunderstand Her action.

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And you can't absorb anything infinite either.

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Yes you can, it just beyond our understanding to imagine it.

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No.......... they are good explanations of an empirical observation of existence. Please stop confusing this with "the truth".

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Still their theories about gravity is the truth about how this universe works.

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THE SAME PROBLEMS WILL BE HAD IN ATTEMPTING TO CONSUME THE INFINITE AS MUCH AS COMPRESSING IT, ESPECIALLY SINCE COMPRESSION IS PART AND PARCEL WITH CONSUMPTION.

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Continue your explanation.

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Look at this:
Time Absorbtion will never complete if time in infinite, thus she will keep doing it forever.
Time Compression will never complete if time is infinite, thus she will keep doing it forever.

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It doesnt matter if this process will go on forever.
That why there's 2 Ultimecias.
The First Ultimecia will keep the process of TC forever.
The Second Ultimecia will reign in TC World

One question my Dear Viator, do any of the attacks Ultimecia used when she fought Squall and CO had anything to do with this 9 pages long stuff of yours?

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One question my Dear Viator, do any of the attacks Ultimecia used when she fought Squall and CO had anything to do with this 9 pages long stuff of yours?

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Well I already explain about that thing in post no 169.

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When TC happens it's not only absorb time and space but also energy because according to wave theory, time, space, and energy, are the three media that are woven together, (quant, wave formation). Wave theory shows how each has its own properties and behaviors, but one can not exist without the others, more over, each proposes explanation for the others, time alone do not exist, time shows some energetic activity in some space.

This theory shows us that time,space and energy are one entity.

The proof TC absorb energy is sorceresses' powers.
Sorceress' power is some kind of energy.
That's why Ultimecia can absorb all sorceresses' powers when TC happens.But when TD happens all sorceresses's powers back to the owners on their time and space.Ultimecia only has her powers when TC is over.

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And you can't absorb anything infinite either.

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Yes you can, it just beyond our understanding to imagine it.

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If you can absorb it then you can compress it. It is obviously just beyond your understanding to imagine it is how I think you put it.

I wonder if anyone else noticed that now that Viator is a regular here, Future suddenly stopped coming ;)

What are you all arguing about...it is just a game!!!
The creators can make anything they want to happen in it.....it doesnt have to be explained......sometimes it cant be explained.............

Unfortunately, alot of foolish people seem to think otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Sir Bahamut

I wonder if anyone else noticed that now that Viator is a regular here, Future suddenly stopped coming ;)

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We're on the same page, bro.

It sounds like someone always has to be right....cough (SPOILER)Viator cough

I agree with ya Lionheart00