Wonder how people didn´t notice this.

Sparkie,the information section of the tutorial were not direct quotes from Squaresoft about the story.It was information learned by the citizens of the world of FF8.And Square quotes this learned informations.But they don´t confirm them as thruth.They are just saying to you what the citizens of FF8 had learned in schools and through the media.

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Well thats lovely but how is it only you can recognise what is a lie and what isnt? Theres never an event or another character to contradict the characters statements. And yeah FE, Sorry to shock you but its a video game. If a character states it unless at some point in the game its explained that the statement was false then you can assume its true.

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So you don´t believe that Square intended to keep many hidden things about the storyline?Things so hidden that most of them will remain unnoticed even for the best observers.

There is a SINGLE event on the game that shows you are wrong.
I can take a screenshot and show it to you.
By the way it is a dialogue from a character on Balamb.

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Sparkie,the information section of the tutorial were not direct quotes from Squaresoft about the story.It was information learned by the citizens of the world of FF8.And Square quotes this learned informations.But they don´t confirm them as thruth.They are just saying to you what the citizens of FF8 had learned in schools and through the media.
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Can you prove that? :p

And flying chocobos, SQUARESOFT WROTE THE GAME. That's what I'm saying. And there are plenty of things from the tutorial that were not mentioned by any citizens, so where is that info coming from? Out of thin air?

And you still haven't answered anyone about how you know when the characters are lying or not. So do it. Now. I'm waiting... with tonberries.

Sorry Floorgasborg, that better? :)

Now now, Sparkie. Mind the blasphemy, there are posters who're quite sensitive out there. Try to use an FF-style euphamism in its place ^_^

They were not mentioned by any citizens but that´s irrelevant.
IT WAS ALSO SQUARESOFT WHO CREARED THE CHARACTERS DIALOGUES.Did this mean they were not dialogues? Of course not.In the same manner the information section of the tutorial were things learned by the citizens which Square intended they learn in the story.But they also intended some of them to be false information.
This way I can say they were not telling lies since they are quoting the information learned in the game.
Can´t a story creator create characters telling lies?Is this so surprising or impossible?
Did this mean it´s the creator who is telling the lie?Of course not.

To show how the characters tell lies will take much time since some of my theories were backed by other theories and so on until there is a theory I can proof.

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They were not mentioned by any citizens but that´s irrelevant.

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Of course it's irrelevant, because I just proved you wrong. :rolleyes2

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IT WAS ALSO SQUARESOFT WHO CREARED THE CHARACTERS DIALOGUES.Did this mean they were not dialogues? Of course not.

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When did I say they weren't? I'M not the one saying that Squaresoft lied. And yes, you ARE saying that because like I said, they created the game and characters. You refuse to believe FACTS from the game and the guide, not just "dialogues".

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In the same manner the information section of the tutorial were things learned by the citizens which Square intended they learn in the story.But they also intended some of them to be false information.
This way I can say they were not telling lies since they are quoting the information learned in the game.
Can´t a story creator create characters telling lies?Is this so surprising or impossible?
Did this mean it´s the creator who is telling the lie?Of course not.

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Unless and until you prove that the characters are lying, you are in fact refusing to believe things from the game. Period.

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To show how the characters tell lies will take much time since some of my theories were backed by other theories and so on until there is a theory I can proof.

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Which is why your theories get weaker and weaker. How about proving one theory? Just one? If you keep doing this, you could change the plot around to the point of creating the world of FFX instead.

So basically you are refusing to back up your words. If it is too hard for you, fine, but stop expecting people to believe you. And stop with the riddles already. Are we not worthy enough to know who 'X' is? Just come out with it already. And don't give me crap about having to believe you first. Meanie.

(of course I just want to know for entertainment).

I don´t know who X is.
I just think someone else can be possessing Edea and Ulti,that´s all.

I don´t want to refuse facts from the game.

EXHIBIT A:

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So this mysterious "X" person is a mystery that you dun even know, ya?

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No,I know who he/she is.But you aren´t prepared yet to receive this revelation.
You need to understand first what is happening in the world of FF8.

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I don´t know who X is.
I just think someone else can be possessing Edea and Ulti,that´s all.

I don´t want to refuse facts from the game.

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You really think we're just stupid huh? Congratulations Unknowns, you were right.

She were right on what?

By the way, the fact that people don´t mention these informations is irrelevant.
People don´t need to say everything they know would they?

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She were right on what?

By the way, the fact that people don´t mention these informations is irrelevant.
People don´t need to say everything they know would they?

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If you don't know, go back and read my last post until you do. It's pretty clear. And also go back and read what I posted before that and before that and before that where you chose to ignore most parts of my posts.

And it's relevant because according to YOU, the tutorial only shows what we are told by the citizens so if there is information that the game itself is saying and not the people, then you are saying the game is lying, which IS relevant because what you are saying is contradictory. Get it yet?

No.I don´t get.Square don´t need to show every scene in which a person says to Squall what they learned.
And it is not what people says to you but what they LEARNED.THE COMMON KNOWLEDGE OF THE PEOPLE OF FF8 (WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE SMARTER ONES WHO LIED).

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course not.In the same manner the information section of the tutorial were things learned by the citizens which Square intended they learn in the story.But they also intended some of them to be false information.
This way I can say they were not telling lies since they are quoting the information learned in the game.
Can´t a story creator create characters telling lies?Is this so surprising or impossible?
Did this mean it´s the creator who is telling the lie?Of course not.

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The following character Future Esthar has been renamed Sir Bahamut to avoid conflict.
Allow me to show other example through my stories as usual....and have those that dun understand pls read my previous posts.....

Narrator: Our heros is now on the way to seek Unknowns' head out after her so called son that wield a nine foot long sword that have three foot long sliver hair stole it from the museum of villians........

Xaven: I can't believe she has a son.....
Sir Bahamut: Can't you read what is above your head you goo goo. It said "so called" son which mean it might not be her son.
Squall of SeeD: ..............
crazybayman: Whatever it is, let's just hurry so that I will be back in time for Teletubbies.

Narrator: And so heroes moved on until they came to a crossroad when they decided to head right.

Xaven: Hey, get a move on. Having wobby legs or wet your pants like always?
Sir Bahamut: Look, why must we move right instead of left? Why must we believe in that freak that alway appear above your name? He might be lying, ya know.
Squall of SeeD:..........
crazybayman: AND WHY MUSN'T WE???? NOW GET A MOVE ON YOU GOD CURSED SON OF A DEFORMED TONBERRY!!! I STILL NEED TO RUSH HOME FOR TELETUBBIES AND YOU DUN WANT TO KNOW WHAT I WILL DO IF I MISS THE SHOW!!!!!!!!!

Narrator: So the heroes decided to move right, and I REPEAT MYSELF, THEY MOVED RIGHT!!! HEAR ME????

Xaven: You heard that man dun you?
Sir Bahamut: Yup, loud and clear. but so what? we are talking about HUMAN RIGHTS here and Kofi Annan is my die hard buddy since we were kids so dun you dare threaten me! BTW, there is something fishy that we alway do as that freak told us to. Who know he is a big fat liar? I say we go LEFT!!
Squall of SeeD:......faggots....
crazybayman: And President Bush my Daddy!! Are you going to move it or we make you move?

Narrator: Look here smartie, to the left is a cliff and you will fall to your miserable death if you insist to go that way and I have the best lawyer in the world if your Coffee Anna wanna take me to a lawsuit!!!

Xaven: Just go right will ya?? My insurance had just expired and I won't get paid if anything happen to me!!
Sir Bahamut: Can't you all lowlifes see he is just trying to scare us? There must be something more than meets the eyes if we go left!! I pretty sure of it!! I could SENSE the disturbance in the force in the left, and dun ask me how I sense it. I am not suppose to reveal that I am actually Yoda in disguise.
Squall of SeeD:.......... :hot:
crazybayman: Fine! O great mightly master of the art of Jedi, we will do as you will!

Narrator: Jedi my foot....So the four moronic heroes that probably had left their brains in the toliet after [img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img]ting went left and fall from the cliff.

Xaven: And you claimed you sense the disturbance in the force MASTER YODA, now see what you have done???
Sir Bahamut: hey kid, Game infomation can be lies, so why can't a game character like me lie? Make sense isn't it?
Squall of SeeD:.............*start stuffing dynamites in Sir Bahamut's mouth.....*
crazybayman: Alright, everyone take cover and enjoy the fireworks.

THE END

Do you know that it will make no sense that as what was in the story that game info is lie and all this thingy. You say the script is lying and Square isn't lying but do you know that it is Square that wrote the script in the first place?

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So you don´t believe that Square intended to keep many hidden things about the storyline?Things so hidden that most of them will remain unnoticed even for the best observers.

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Are you saying you are better than the best since you are the only one in this world to spot it when no one can? Then why would Square made it so secretly?

If this is the truth then that make it a very BIG plot twists which make a selling point of FF VIII which mean $$$ for Square.

So it is obvious they won't make it so secretive so that people will find out.

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There is a SINGLE event on the game that shows you are wrong.
I can take a screenshot and show it to you.
By the way it is a dialogue from a character on Balamb.

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Dun tell me it is just like that Ellone=Rinoa screenshot where the whole world said they are just doubling image of Rinoa while you insisted threy are Ellone.

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To show how the characters tell lies will take much time since some of my theories were backed by other theories and so on until there is a theory I can proof

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Or should I said until we pointed out a certain flaw so that you can quickly go edit it and claimed that this is the theory to prove it like you alway do?

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I don´t know who X is.
I just think someone else can be possessing Edea and Ulti,that´s all.

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That's mean you can't prove who is "X" which mean make my "X"= Hyne/Yu Yevon valid as told previously in this thread.

Or odd Hyne,should I say?
Because that god is really odd.
He doesn´t even appear on the game.He is worst than Ulti.

Your story don´t reflect what I am saying.
Because you don´t understand what I said.
The script is not lying.It is some characters inside it that lye.Is it so difficult to put this on your head?
Squaresoft created a story.
Since this is not a veridical fact it don´t makes sence to say that Square is "lying".

Square puts some characters lying.They lie because Square wanna them to lie.
Because Square intended some thruths behind the story and put some characters lying about it.
It´s not like in your story
In your story the facts contradict what the narrator says.
In the story of FF8 there is not even a narrator.
Not even the information section of the tutorial appears as a narrator but as a sum of the information acquired in the game.
Never played Tomb Raider:The angel of darkness?
In that game the information that appears on Van Croys notebook was not from the narrator.It was information Van Croy has acquired and writed.In this case Lara Croft reads the information and knows what
awaits her.And she also write there the information she acquires through the game.If Von Croy hadn´t meet Eckhardt this information would not appear on the notebook.Which means this was not a narrator information since the narrator would know everything that happens on the game.

The screenshot I will take is just one screenshot and is a monologue from a secondary character.









EDIT: Don't double post. -Murder

You still havent taken in what I said. If there is no event or text from another character contradicting someone elses information then it is not a lie. You however have gone and decided what statements were through and what were false with no information backing you up and made up fanfiction/theories with nothing from the game to suppoert it.

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Well thats lovely but how is it only you can recognise what is a lie and what isnt? Theres never an event or another character to contradict the characters statements. And yeah FE, Sorry to shock you but its a video game. If a character states it unless at some point in the game its explained that the statement was false then you can assume its true.

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Theory:The promised land is exactly on Midgar.Not on the northern crater.

Evidence:There were many Mako reactors on Midgar.Which means this is the place with the most Mako.

I know this is offtopic but this has a purpose here.

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Theory:The promised land is exactly on Midgar.Not on the northern crater.

Evidence:There were many Mako reactors on Midgar.Which means this is the place with the most Mako.

I know this is offtopic but this has a purpose here.

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Having a lot of Mako reactors doesn't mean that is a lot of Mako in Midgar cause the HQ of Shinra is situtated there and they have to make their city flourish which required a lot of energy so they drained every bit of energy using the eight reactors from the earth itself to support the energy needed for the various sectors. That is why the ground around Midgar is a barren of wasteland.

And do you know President Shinra intended to build other Midgar in the promised land? Cause he realize the mako in Midgar is nothing compared to the promised land which is the northern crater.

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It´s not like in your story
In your story the facts contradict what the narrator says.
In the story of FF8 there is not even a narrator.
Not even the information section of the tutorial appears as a narrator but as a sum of the information acquired in the game.

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That is an example my friend. It is the moral of the story that counts.

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The script is not lying.It is some characters inside it that lye.Is it so difficult to put this on your head?
Squaresoft created a story.
Since this is not a veridical fact it don´t makes sence to say that Square is "lying".

Square puts some characters lying.They lie because Square wanna them to lie.
Because Square intended some thruths behind the story and put some characters lying about it.

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Look, Sir Bahamut lied in my story caused I made him to lie. And I intended the so called "truth" behind my story and make him lie.

And so they fall off a cliff caused they can't recognize the truth.