Wonder how people didn´t notice this.

This is not the FFVII Forum. Stay on topic or this thread will be closed.

Also, let's get rid of this whole 'whatever member' label. Labelling people just leads to trouble.

Alright.But on your story the narrator lies because he says they will go right.But they don´t.

That is the point. The game information which is the narrator and the game character which is Sir Bahamut all lied.

Now do you understand how confusing it is when the game events along with the scripts and the characters lie?

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

Or odd Hyne,should I say?
Because that god is really odd.
He doesn´t even appear on the game

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We even have a section for him in the infomation counter ya know.

You are ignoring the rest of my post 267
The post was edited.Go see it(it was on this thread).

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Or odd Hyne,should I say?
Because that god is really odd.
He doesn´t even appear on the game.He is worst than Ulti.

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What are you talking about? Both Hyne and Ulti were in the game... Unknowns proved it from her screenshots. And everyone knows you fight Ulti in the end and there's an fmv of her face. Are you blind or do you just mean something else?

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Your story don´t reflect what I am saying.
Because you don´t understand what I said.
The script is not lying.It is some characters inside it that lye.Is it so difficult to put this on your head?
Squaresoft created a story.
Since this is not a veridical fact it don´t makes sence to say that Square is "lying".

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What you're telling us is that the characters were meant to lie in the story, meaning the writers weren't really lying to us right? Well I hate to break this to you, but if what you say really is true, then 99.999% of the gamers have been decieved. You don't think that's lying? THERE IS NO PROOF THAT THE CHARACTERS LIE. And you still haven't proved that so stop saying it. Gahhhhhhhh!!

Unknowns's story reflects perfectly what you are saying. The charater lies. The "script" doesn't. Answer me this question (MAKING IT CLEAR THAT THIS IS A QUESTION SO YOU'LL ANSWER): What is the script to you? Because last time I checked the script included everything, including character dialogues.

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Square puts some characters lying.They lie because Square wanna them to lie.Because Square intended some thruths behind the story and put some characters lying about it.It´s not like in your story In your story the facts contradict what the narrator says.
In the story of FF8 there is not even a narrator. Not even the information section of the tutorial appears as a narrator but as a sum of the information acquired in the game.

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Look, you still are not in any place to say that because you don't know where the information in the tutorial comes from. And you said before that there is information in there the citizens didn't say but now you are saying there isn't again.

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Never played Tomb Raider:The angel of darkness?
In that game the information that appears on Van Croys notebook was not from the narrator.It was information Van Croy has acquired and writed.In this case Lara Croft reads the information and knows what
awaits her.And she also write there the information she acquires through the game.If Von Croy hadn´t meet Eckhardt this information would not appear on the notebook.Which means this was not a narrator information since the narrator would know everything that happens on the game.

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Riiiiight except that was a NOTEBOOK that makes it explicitly clear that CHARACTERS WRITE in it. Where in FF8 does it say that people all over the world write in Squall's tutorial? O_O

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The screenshot I will take is just one screenshot and is a monologue from a secondary character.

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After the Ellone=Rinoa thing, I am highly doubtful. But at least it's a monologue...

And I'm just going to ignore everything you said about mako reactors because you can't use a totally different game to support your FF8 theories just because they were made by the same company. :rolleyes2

Squall of SeeD, I couldn't have said it better myself. I applaud you. Too bad you wasted your time because he just ignored everything you said. I really think his theory threads should be removed because like you said, he is not showing us any respect by getting his facts and definitions straight and he refuses to consider that someone else might be right and he calls US closed-minded. Not to mention the fact that it has already been established that these aren't theories but fan-fiction, which belongs in a totally different forum.

And another thing: stop making up characters! Where does this 'X' come from besides your head? It seems like you justify everything by saying X did it like you can explain everything that you can't explain logically by creating some faceless, nameless character and boom! Your theory suddenly works. You can't just insert characters into an established game that has its own set of characters. The R=U theory is a theory, yet it doesn't add any characters or anything but is supported by in-game facts, unlike your "theories".

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You are ignoring the rest of my post 267
The post was edited.Go see it(it was on this thread).

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At this point we have the right to ignore your posts since you haven't shown us the courtesy of responding to all of our posts. You still haven't explained why you said you knew who X was before and why you suddenly changed your mind. And if it was edited then we're not ignoring it. Why don't you stop trying to fix what you say by editing your posts and just post a new post? Or better yet, go post in the fan-fiction forum.

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Or odd Hyne,should I say?
Because that god is really odd.
He doesn´t even appear on the game.He is worst than Ulti.

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What are you talking about? Both Hyne and Ulti were in the game... Unknowns proved it from her screenshots. And everyone knows you fight Ulti in the end and there's an fmv of her face. Are you blind or do you just mean something else?

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He's referring to how Ultimecia seems just thrown in at the last minute and how we have never seen her before (for example, we know Sephiroth and Kefka throughout their whole games and have grown to know and hate them). We never see Hyne even once.

Just because I posted, don't ignore the one before mine, FE.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

Or odd Hyne,should I say?
Because that god is really odd.
He doesn´t even appear on the game.He is worst than Ulti.

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What are you talking about? Both Hyne and Ulti were in the game... Unknowns proved it from her screenshots. And everyone knows you fight Ulti in the end and there's an fmv of her face. Are you blind or do you just mean something else?

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He's referring to how Ultimecia seems just thrown in at the last minute and how we have never seen her before (for example, we know Sephiroth and Kefka throughout their whole games and have grown to know and hate them). We never see Hyne even once.

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Oh ok that makes sense... except: This mysterious 'X' is never in the game either! In fact, FE has yet to disclose his motives to us. I believe he himself has said he doesn't even know what they are. He just made him up as the ultimate sorcerer/ess that possesses Edea, Adel, Caraway, Julia... and just about everyone else in the friggin' game. Is that any better than Ulti or Hyne? You're wierd, Future. Make up your mind.

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As you said,minute details are better than other things to find evidence for theories.
One can tell who is X by looking at a very single detail about him.A little detail no one noticed yet.Just looking at this denounce the person.
I will show it to you through a series of images.You will have to guess.

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Whatever happened to that? Oh yeah... lost among the hundreds of unanswered questions in this thread. He said this 5 pages ago.

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Just because I posted, don't ignore the one before mine, FE.

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Thank-you. :) (not that it'll help... :rolleyes2)

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You are ignoring the rest of my post 267
The post was edited.Go see it(it was on this thread).

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Didn't I answer them in post 270? The Tomb Raiders thingy sparkie had answered.

And mind if you post all of them in one shot instead of little bit here and there?

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He doesn´t even appear on the game.He is worst than Ulti.

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Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. You said this:

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Vascaroon fell in love with Ulti->outside WOTC

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Vascaroon didn't appear in the story or dun even had a slot reserved for him in the tutorial information counter.

And isn't "X" already proven by me that it is Hyne/Yu Yevon as I posted in the previous posts in this thread? :D

So Future, if you can't overthrown the fact that "X" is Hyne/Yu Yevon then I suggest you stop saying that "X" is behind everything.

Oh brother, no story this time cause there is no example to quote from..... :(

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Or odd Hyne,should I say?
Because that god is really odd.
He doesn´t even appear on the game.He is worst than Ulti.

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What are you talking about? Both Hyne and Ulti were in the game... Unknowns proved it from her screenshots. And everyone knows you fight Ulti in the end and there's an fmv of her face. Are you blind or do you just mean something else?

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He's referring to how Ultimecia seems just thrown in at the last minute and how we have never seen her before (for example, we know Sephiroth and Kefka throughout their whole games and have grown to know and hate them).

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But Ultimecia was possessing Edea's body, so we had actually been dealing with her in mind/spirit the entire game. Future's point fell more than a little flat.

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And you said before that there is information in there the citizens didn't say but now you are saying there isn't again.

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Dude,you are confusing things.I was well explicit but you don´t understood.

I will explain for the last time.

The information section of the tutorial tell´s what people had LEARNED THROUGHOUT THE GAME.Common knowledge.
But there is no need to see people giving this information to Squall on the game.
I found now a way to proof this to you.Will play the game now.

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And you said before that there is information in there the citizens didn't say but now you are saying there isn't again.

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Dude,you are confusing things.I was well explicit but you don´t understood.

I will explain for the last time.

The information section of the tutorial tell´s what people had LEARNED THROUGHOUT THE GAME.Common knowledge.
But there is no need to see people giving this information to Squall on the game.

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Ok I'm not a dude, thanks. And it's you that doesn't understand but nevermind. I know what you're saying ok? I could find your previous posts that have inconsistencies but there's no point. I was just pointing out that you have yet to prove how you know this.

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I found now a way to proof this to you.Will play the game now.

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You do that.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a53...esthar/tut.jpg


Here you are.
Now explain something to me.
How is it that the narrator don´t know how many sorceresses exist today on the game?.Better,how is it that the narrator says it is believed
that they avoid spreading their powers too thin?

The answer to the first question maybe it´s obvious.

One can say "Well there is no need to meet all the sorceresses on the game.That´s why the narrator says that"

But the second question.Do you think the narrator believed something about the storyline?
I am pretty sure he knows everything he wanna to put on the storyline,no?
Or do you think that the narrator get an amnesia while he write the story.
The right text would be "they avoid spreading they powers too thin"
if that was the case or nothing if that was not the case or if the narrator wanna to hide this information now and reveal later (or never reveal).
Even the first phrase should be rephrased"people on the game can´t determine how many sorceresses are there" or "there are more sorceresses than one sees on the game" or nothing at all.

When we go to other parts of the tutorial other that the information section of the "information" part we don´t see "When you junction the fire magic to your HP it will increase.However details are unknown yet about how much it will increase.We have to test it and research it more"(on Esthar labs or Balamb Garden).
This means this was information from the narrator himself.

Yet looking at this picture we see this is information learned in the game.
Not even the Esthar scientists were able to determine how many sorceresses exist.And people believed that they avoid spreading their powers too thin.
It´s obvious this is information learned by people (and some of them is doubtful information as we can see).People in FF8 think about what could be thruth.
Of course this is not the case for the game writer since he is the game writer.

That one section doesn't really apply because it starts with "The Legend goes..." so it's obvious that it's information from the people.

And I never said you were wrong that the tutorial only gives info that the people of FF8 know so far. Of course they won't tell the player everything. But the narrator also will not refer to FF8 as a game:

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Even the first phrase should be rephrased"people on the game can´t determine how many sorceresses are there" or "there are more sorceresses than one sees on the game" or nothing at all.

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As far as the world and people of FF8 are concerned, they are not in a game. Only we know it's a game. Does that make sense?

Anyway, I was just under the impression that you meant the only info that appeared there was info that the citizens of FF8 actually spoke. Sorry if I misunderstood you there. Hope we're clear now.

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When we go to other parts of the tutorial other that the information section of the "information" part we don´t see "When you junction the fire magic to your HP it will increase.However details are unknown yet about how much it will increase.We have to test it and research it more"(on Esthar labs or Balamb Garden).
This means this was information from the narrator himself.

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And finally the heroes caught up with Unknowns' so called son and her head.....

"The Son": It's you traitors. Just when Mama and I are going to the Promised Land, you traitors of the Cetra shown up. FEEL THE WRATH OF MY MASAMUME.

Xaven: Is this guy on drugs or something?
Sir Bahamut: I must said this is a direct rip off from FF VII, how cheap!
Squall of SeeD:.............
crazybayman:Ya tend to ran out of ideas and just copy other ideas when things get desperate, ya know.

Narrator: And both sides clashed with each other....

"The Son": What do you mean by "clashed with each other"? Mama and I dun understand. Can you be more specific?

Narrator: Must I freakly explain everything so clearly? Can't you just use the God given freakly intelligence you have in that coconut husk of yours and figure it out?

Xaven: Ya, we alway understand when the dude above my name said something like this.
Sir Bahamut: A hundred of blows can just be exchanged with just one word from that dude, sometime I do ask myself how is that possible?
Squall Of SeeD:.........
crazybayman:Because it is a game? Ya know, I suddenly remember this is just a game.....

Narrator: Ya, listen to the "Old Birds" around here and start getting the show running or no Power Rangers for you.

"The Son":NO! Mama and I is sticking to our principles and won't give in to you baddies and if dun give me Power Rangers I will tell them you are actually a gay.

Xaven: Ya, we all know that dude is gay. He is never interested when we go to the nightclubs....Ahem. I mean dungeons!!!
Sir Bahamut: And he enjoy peeping at Squall Of SeeD when he is bathing and changing.
Squall Of SeeD: How in the world do you know that? Dun tell me you are involved too?
crazybayman:ya know, that is the longest sentence you even spoke throughout all the stories.

Narrator: No,no, no, I am not gay!!! I am just a bit shy and gentle and.....WAHHHH!!!!! I GONNA TELL MY MAMA ABOUT THIS!!!!YOU WON"T GET AWAY WITH THIS!!!!!AND I AM NOT GAY!!!!WAHHHH!!!
*:weep::weep::weep::weep: and ran off*

"The Son":.........so Mama and I can go to the Promised Land and summon a giant watermelon from the sky to crash onto the planet then watch Power Ranger together?

Xaven: Whatever, if you enjoy being with that rotting head you have there.
Sir Bahamut:Can I join you? I dun mind a watermelon feast while watching Power Rangers.
Squall Of SeeD:..............
crazybayman: I must admit this is the lamest endings throughout all the stories.....

THE END

The junctioning thingy you can go figure it out yourself and instead of wasting time saying how much HP increase if I junction fire to HP.
You know how much pages it will take to explain every single effect of magic junctioning to each stats and that is where game guides came in.
They taught you the basics of junctioning and that is enough.

It is really pointless to said that there is actually a sorceress hidden in whorehouse of Dollet and there is another one hiding in the toliets of Balamb and another one....just like when you fought those sorceress during time compression, it is pointless to point out, for example, the first sorceress came from Balamb 5000 years ago and her hobbies and vital statistics are......

Unknowns you don´t understand ANY word of what I said.
I just said that the information at the information section of the tutorial can not be things that the writers state as thruth or something they intended to the story.
It has to be information learned by citizens throghout the game and hence the incertainty on the picture.They said "it is believed" which proves my point.
The writer know everything from the beggining to the end.Or do you think he had amnesia in the middle?