His voice DOES change. His accent,tone, or whatever depending on who he's around. It's part of his whole scheming thing I think. He changes how he speaks to reflect whatever situation.
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His voice DOES change. His accent,tone, or whatever depending on who he's around. It's part of his whole scheming thing I think. He changes how he speaks to reflect whatever situation.
This, this is the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noctis Caelum
That woman was so stupid.n Also Sansa better get on that. This man is handsome as smurf.
Littlefinger and Sansa have been my OTP since I read Storm of Swords. It needs to happen.
Yeah you can see Sansa's starting to see the merits in Littlefinger's way of doing things. I mean his conniving and murdering is the only reason she's now safe from Joffrey and that he is dead, and now again safe from Lysa Arryn, who might have even been a worse mom than Selyse Baratheon (on which note I do NOT like Melisandre's insistence on Shireen coming with them to the Wall). Sansa should tap dat and be Cat 2.0 (except maybe make fewer mistakes that doom her family) and rule the North and the Vale together.
That would be a good plan if Littlefinger wasn't creepy as hell. Also Stannis is going to the Wall? When did we learn that?
This is my dream. If Sansa's story doesn't end like this I will be horribly disappointed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mister Adequate
Yeah I can picture GRRM writing that sick love scene now between Sansa and Baelish.
"I hated your dad,
he hated me,
So I killed your dad,
But I loved your mom and now she's dead, too.
So now i'm smurfing their daughter.
Gods I have the biggest boner in the 7 Kingdoms right now."
Truly a happy ending for Sansa Stark.
that would make him a pedophile.
Not in Westeros.
u got a point
Personally I would prefer it if Sansa gets to the point that she can rule without Littlefinger's help. If she hangs around him long enough I'm sure she'll learn the tricks of the trade pretty quickly. Eventually I'm sure Arya can take care of any of her opposition to make Jon Snow's life as a Queensguard all gravy.
Don't forget Littlefinger got made Lord of Harrenhal (and thus the Riverlands) by Joffrey for arranging the royal wedding. That's three kingdoms he has a claim to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mister Adequate
End of last season. Davos was learning to read and got Lord Commander Mormont's letter about the White Walkers, and brought it to Stannis. That's what saved his life from certain execution as Melissandre agreed they had to fight the cold things. Also didn't you see Selyse and Melissandre talking about it in the last episode and how Stannis wanted Shireen to come? See what happens when you turn your nose up at certain characters' scenes? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Murder
They were talking about going somewhere but I didn't catch if they said where. I thought they were talking about going to Braavos. Also how do you expect me to pay attention to plot elements when there are tits on the screen?
Oh yes you're right, I'd forgotten about that! Plus as the child of a Tully Sansa would eventually be in line for the Riverlands herself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
I hope one day that Sansa finds out that Littlefinger screwed over Ned, causing his death and ultimately caused a war between the Starks & Lannisters, also resulting in the death of her mother and brother.
And then I hope she gets some awesome revenge.
But not yet, she needs to learn the tricks of the trade from Littlefinger, first.
Good episode. Desperate to see the trial by combat.
Does anybody know why it's two weeks until the next episode?
Memorial Day holiday maybe?
There's no episode this week cause of memorial day.
I know I'm going to be disagreed with here, but I felt like the scene between Tyrion and Oberyn in the dungeon was more powerful than Tyrion's speech in the Keep.
Good episode. I figured Lysa flying would happen soon, but I was so smurfing looking forward to the trial by combat, I've been looking forward to it all season and now we have to wait another two weeks :colbert:
Pretty surprised that they showed a sensitive side to The Hound. Whenever the show strays from the books, I just keep in mind what Bunny said about the show characters being in a parallel universe than the book characters, and I remember what's been done with The Walking Dead and that the show was ultimately better than the comic book story and to just go along with it.
I actually agree with you. When Oberyn was talking I almost felt the need to throw my fist in the air.
Oberyn had the best acting by far in that final scene. The way he portrayed his indifference to Tyrion's "affliction" was so human. You can see the water filling in his eyes as he speaks. Then when he says "what about what I want?" was just so freakin raw, man. Tyrion's reaction when he finally hears the words "I will be your champion" just bursts with emotion, too. Like he'd just been proposed to and had this array of emotions from happiness, relief, surprise, gratitude. I cheered. Not as much as Lysa being Littlefinger'd tho. :D
Agreed, Shorty! I thought the trial scene was great, of course, but not the special scene everyone is saying it is.
I agree, I was very moved by the scene with Oberyn and Tyrion. I thought it was just as good, probably even better than Tyrion's court scene.
Tyrion's speech felt a little forced to me. Oberyn's came across a lot more natural.
He's probably got a sore throat, or his cat jumped on his throat loads during the night.
I still feel Tyrion's was better, but that's mostly because I felt that Tyrion was being an idiot for not realising the obvious thing that was going to be said the entire time. As soon as The Mountain was revealed as one part of the fight, Danielle instantly said "Oh, Oberyn has it in for him" and I'm sure it was Tyrion he was talking to in depth about this very thing when they first met in the city before the wedding. So for the forever clever Tyrion to be oblivious as to why Oberyn would be walking in there uninvited was beyond me. I suppose it made for good reading or something but surely Tyrion would have been aware of this possibility from the moment Oberyn started talking about it all?
thats stupid :lQuote:
Originally Posted by Freya
I could see Tyrion not really catch on just because at that point, pretty much everyone had abandoned him. Even Bronn, the one person he thought he could count on as his champion, wouldn't fight for him. Then comes Oberyn who has made it known that he hates all Lannisters. Normally Tyrion probably would have put two and two together, but in the state he was in at that moment he probably just assumed Oberyn came with more bad news.
Yep, going to have to agree with Scotty on this. After you have hope your friends and family are going to pull through for you and they don't, after it being apparent that the entire city has zero faith or love for you, why would Tyrion assume that this stranger from another land would stand up to champion on his behalf? It's obvious to us as viewers, but I think that saying Tyrion should have known what Oberyn intended is taking credit from his character and situation.
On top of that, Oberyn has made it pretty clear that he has no interest in the personal squabbles of everyone else. Why would Tyrion hope that he would be defended by Oberyn when the man is apathetic toward his defense at best?
Oberyn will only fight for his own personal gain.
either way, for oberyn it will be a win win situation (sort of)
if he wins the Mountain will die and if he dies, he will take a lannister with him
Vote Little Finger for ruler of the world.
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no ..no ...no ...no. i dont trust him
its either going to be Ser pounce or Podrik payne
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH LOVE :D
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I shared this on my blog page and twitter :colbert:
Well I didn't see those!
I agree whole heartedly with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaibanathats stupid :lQuote:
Originally Posted by Freya
No. Because season 2 they had blackwater air during memorial weekend.
Record lows for an episode.
Battle of blackwater and people didn't watch.
Makes sense I guess, since often people are away with families and out of town and stuff.
Because he knows Oberyn is just looking for the first excuse (let alone chance) to kill The Mountain. *shrug* If it was the first thought of Danielle and my second thought (my first thought was the Hound and Arya being too far away and how annoying that was) after knowing the enemy was The Mountain, I guess I just figure that if everyone I knew had abandoned me, I would be desperately looking for every damned option to save my life. I get how it's feasable that it all happened and can be explained without problem, but it still for me made it annoying storytelling because in my head, it "broke character" for Tyrion to be that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty
Ah, I respectfully disagree. Knowing that everyone is out for you, that your sister, the Queen, one of the most powerful women in the kingdom has her claws around your throat, knowing that your father - the most important person in the realm beside the king - relishes in this notion with glee, knowing that your brother is going to sit idly by while it happens, knowing that your (arguably) best friend has said, "nah bro, it suits me better to not," knowing that people you depended on and had good faith with testified against you, and worst of all to me, knowing that the woman you had come to trust and love has utterly betrayed you in front of an entire court, and knowing all this while rotting in a darkened dungeon for weeks would leave me in very little faith.
This coupled with the fact that with Oberyn's tale, it is confirmed that Tyrion has indeed been despised by most around him since the birth of his very existence and that he's been publicly humiliated, sought after by murderers and viciously disfigured (moreso in the book), kiddnapped, jailed, falsely accused before - well, all of that would leave me utterly hopeless.
Tyrion broke character because Tyrion is broken. As Sarah outlines in the post above this one, he's been kicked around endlessly and every last ally has left him. Cersei has turned the world against him and Tywin has happily supported this. Jaime can't fight for him and Bronn won't. Varys testified against him, Shae testified against him, probably the only friend he has left in the world is Pod, and Tyrion has no idea if Pod is even still alive.
I'm sure Tyrion would like to think Oberyn was there to volunteer, but Oberyn hates Lannisters, why would he be there to do that instead of just gloating?
This, this exactly. Amazing acting from both gentlemen. I also really enjoyed listening to The Hound's story. It made him seem much more human. You could see it in his face that he had a moment of vulnerability.Quote:
Originally Posted by McLovin'
Whatever happened to Edmure Tully? Was he killed or is Frey holding him captive?
The latter. He did marry his daughter, after all, and their children - being Tullys - should be heirs to the riverlands. Well, if not for Littlefinger I suppose.
The thought of "what if Pod stayed behind" kind of amuses me in this scenario. I just think it would be pretty awesome had Pod volunteered as Tyrion's champion and just obliterated The Mountain, leaving everyone shocked. I know that wouldn't make any sense though.
He's already been an unsuspecting champion in the bedroom, I'd say let him have a go at the mountain.
pod 2
ladies 1
mountain 0
We haven't really seen Gregor kill anything besides horses. His abilities are massively overrated, imo.
Sure, we haven't seen any, but what about all the tales of burning fields and slaying men and raping women and slaughtering children?
That's kind of harsh to the four guys he butchered in the last episode.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noctis Caelum
So today I overheard my boss and the president of my company (my boss's boss) talking about this show, the differences between the books and the show in particular. They're both in their 50s... It was surreal.
Last episode didn't get 8.5 million viewers on the night it aired for nothing!
Pretty detailed Tyrion figurine!
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I'm sorry but did you somehow miss the part where almost every single character in the show basically trouts their pants at the mere mention of his name?Quote:
Originally Posted by Noctis Caelum
Will someone refill his cup already? Gods!Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty
Which is moreso because of his size than him actually killing anybody. I forgot about him slaughtering people at the start of the last episode, you'll have to excuse me for my not so superior memory.Quote:
Originally Posted by BunnyI'm sorry but did you somehow miss the part where almost every single character in the show basically trouts their pants at the mere mention of his name?Quote:
Originally Posted by Noctis Caelum
Anyway, I say that as a book reader of all the books, and I don't retract my statement one bit. He's overrated.
Well, one way to look at today is:
"There's a new Game of Thrones next week!"
Nah, Bronn wouldn't be fooled by a big guy. Big guy would be easy for someone like Bronn to kill. If Bronn's almost certain The Mountain would slaughter him, Clegane's reputation must be deserved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noctis CaelumWhich is moreso because of his size than him actually killing anybody. I forgot about him slaughtering people at the start of the last episode, you'll have to excuse me for my not so superior memory.Quote:
Originally Posted by BunnyI'm sorry but did you somehow miss the part where almost every single character in the show basically trouts their pants at the mere mention of his name?Quote:
Originally Posted by Noctis Caelum
Anyway, I say that as a book reader of all the books, and I don't retract my statement one bit. He's overrated.
It's not just Gregor Clegane's size. For one, he's a remorseless psycho killer. We've heard the story of him burning his brother's face off because he borrowed a toy. We've heard how he raped and murdered Elia Targaryen and smashed her babies' heads against a wall. Last episode he was like "Who am I going to kill?" "Does it matter?" "Nah." People are afraid of him because he seems to enjoy raping and killing people. He's insane and sadistic. The book has a lot of pretty horrible stories of other stuff he did. One story says he killed one of his own soldiers because he snored too much.
And he has a high position in the kingdom thanks to the Lannisters, which is even scarier, because he wanders around with a little army of like-minded people doing whatever he wants. Who has the authority to stop him? Ned Stark tried to have him arrested, and he killed the people sent to take him in. It's been nothing but rumors of war crimes since then. Recall in that joust scene, after decapitating his horse, he almost murdered Ser Loras right in front of the king and everyone. Who could get away with that kind of stuff except him?
It's his size/strength plus his standing in the kingdom plus his lack of compunction that combine to make him a scary guy. There isn't a lot of on-screen or in-person stuff involving him in the show or the books, but in my opinion that makes him seem worse, because a lot is left up to imagination.
what? not this week? D:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lone Wolf Leonhart
atleast theres a penny dreadful, so i got that going for me, wich is nice
I spoiled myself on the wiki again. I am not looking forward to ___. I'm not looking forward to ___ at all!
alot already got spoiled for me too, unwilingly, im not looking forward to ___. either :lQuote:
Originally Posted by ToriJ
I can't wait for it, myself.
Can everyone tell me in spoiler marks what ___________ is?
are you sure you want to know that? it would really ruin alot
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I've read the books, I'm just not sure what you all are talking about.
A correction, in response to your second spoilerTyrion doesn't commit suicide.
But ah, I see now. :)
ooh, i was convinced he did, ooh well, i guess theres still some suprise in that part then :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Jinx
p.s how do you rename the spoilers?
[ spoiler = text you'd like to name it to ] [/spoiler]
no spaces :)
aaaah ok, thanks alotQuote:
Originally Posted by Jinx
testing it :D woop woop
There is a big gaping hole in what would usually be a joyous monday afternoon after work today.
how can you people spoil things for yourselves I don't understand
my bf's brother spoiled alot, and a few weeks ago i stumbled on another spoiler on a 9gag post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty
i was curious at some comments and i imediatly got punished for breaking the 'dont look at the comments'-rule
BECAUSE I WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS
Speaking of spoilers, two BIG book spoilers here, things not even remotely hinted at in the show yet:
1Is Lady Stoneheart going to show up anytime soon, do y'all think? I would have thought we'd have seen her already, but now I'm betting on Episode 10 of this season.
2Are Young Griff and Jon Connington going to show up anytime soon, do y'all think?
1I'm banking on her being the final scene of episode 10 as she should be. Not just because she was the epilogue in SoS, but because she (imo) is the most fantastic and exciting revelation of the series so far. Can you imagine how must the internet would blow up if she was the season finale and they had to wait an entire year to see what happens next? From a television standpoint, that is absolutely the most fantastic way to end the season
2I would probably say next season in episode one or two, but it depends on how fast the scene with Tyrion and Tywin comes about. I was originally banking on it being a season finale point, but now I'm thinking episode 9. Possibly introduce them in the season finale and you're just like OH smurf WHAT
In response to the Adequate post:
(SPOILER)1. Yes, I think the events you described will occur in the finale.
2. Next season, definitely not this one. Though I have to wonder how they're going to play the next season given the way Martin set up Feast/Dragons in terms of the geographic split rather than chronological. I guess they'll cover both books simultaneously and split it over 2/3 seasons? Has any word been given as to how they'll do it yet?
1I gasped when it happened in the book, so I do hope it's the last shot of this season as well.
Shorty's first spoiler was the ___ yes. I am happy to have been able to cause such confusion 8D
It happened quickly, less than a day! Shorty and Shaibana have been confused. xDQuote:
Originally Posted by ToriJ
I can't wait until ____ happens. It's going to be quite _____. Of course, _____ isn't going to like it but fortunately they'll _____ in the _____ with _____ after the _____.
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Originally Posted by Del Murder
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for some reason i can not copy this image, so here is the link to it
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______________ ______ _________ _ _____ _________ ________ ______ ____ ______ ________ _________ _________ ______ __________ _________ __________ _____ _____ ____ _______ _______ _______ so _______ ______ __ __ ____ ______ _______ _____ ____ ___ ____ _______ _____ _____ __ ___ __ _ ______ ______ _ ____ ___ ____ __________ ____ ___ ________ ________ _______ ______ ____ _ ________ _____ ________ ___ ___________ _____ _______ _______ ______ _______ _______ ___ ____ ________ _____ ______ ___ __ _____ _______ ________ ________ ____ ____ _______ because _____ _____ ___ ______ _____ ____ ______ _____ __ _ ______ _____ ___ ____ _____ ______ _______ _______ ___ ____ ______ ____ ______ ___ __ ______ ___ ___ ____ ___ ___ ___ ____ __ _ __ _____ ___ ___ __ __ ______ ____ ___ __ _____ ____ _________
Go ___ yourself BoB.
Only after I _____ you. :love:
He also jousted a guy through the neck for no real reason in his first joust.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noctis Caelum
He looked at him funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackmage_nukeHe also jousted a guy through the neck for no real reason in his first joust.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noctis Caelum
This is some repugnant _____.
I saw that on 9gag, if it's not a re-post and is the one I saw, then the comments either have trolls or the horrible kind of spoilers. I do not advise non-book-readers to venture forth.. As I have not read the books, I have no idea if the show has been ruined for me or not. But oh well I guessQuote:
Originally Posted by Shaibana
Edit: I should point out, for some reason I was simply going to the comments to watch people bitch about holidays and stuff. I'm not sure why it didn't occur to me that it's the troll's den of 9gag and should be wary of spoilers
you should have known betterQuote:
Originally Posted by VykI saw that on 9gag, if it's not a re-post and is the one I saw, then the comments either have trolls or the horrible kind of spoilers. I do not advise non-book-readers to venture forth.. As I have not read the books, I have no idea if the show has been ruined for me or not. But oh well I guessQuote:
Originally Posted by Shaibana
Edit: I should point out, for some reason I was simply going to the comments to watch people bitch about holidays and stuff. I'm not sure why it didn't occur to me that it's the troll's den of 9gag and should be wary of spoilers
rule nr.1 of game of thrones post: dont look at the comments
I just wanted to see the people of the world whine about American holidays :( Was that too much to ask?
I didnt want to be visited by the ghost of Memorial Day Past
like i said... you ignored rule nr1 so you payed for it..Quote:
Originally Posted by Vyk
NEVER EVER look at comments at a GOT post!!
Finally, it returns tonight!
My favourite part of the entire series: Red Viper vs the Mountain.
Please HBO, don't smurf it up.
Check out my video about Final Fantasy and Game of Thrones you guys :love:
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I'm really glad I haven't read the books yet. After I started watching the show I've purposely put off reading them so I can enjoy the show and be surprised, but mainly because when it's all over at least I can start reading them and immerse myself in the world even more!
Hurry up, 9pm tomorrow! :excited:
I just stream it from the net in the morning so I don't have to wait as long :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Jess
Hbogo. I can watch it 10 mins into airing tonight. Sometimes they delay it and I have to wait the full hour. Yay!
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Originally Posted by Psychotic
The hype is real. Bring it on :D
Absolutely worth the 2 week wait.
It's not often when I'm so intensely into a scene of a show that I hold my hands up to my face because I'm anticipating the horrible things that might happen. Tonight's episode was perfect.
That was probably the most gruesome death scene I have ever seen.
Big highlights of the episode for me: Jorah's fate, Arya laughing like a maniac, Sansa being shady, the mountain versus the viper
holy trout the mountain versus the viper was perfect.
Alright. Let me ask this, though. What did you guys take from Jaime and Tyrion talking about beetles for six minutes? I've got my own ideas. I'd like to hear others.
Dude I can't stop thinking about that ending. I can understand Oberyn's pride being his downfall, but jesus smurf that was shocking as smurf. At least he killed the Mountain though, and the mountain confessed that Tywin gave the order right?
Sansa and Baelish just became the most smurfed up people that have my full support and I could not believe it.
I think that beetle guy was squashing beetles because he likes to have power over life and death... didn't really think anything else about it.
On a side note I cant wait to see Probably next weeks episodeTyrion kill shae and Tywin, also the way Cersei loses her trout when she think Tyrion is out to kill them all also I am going to call it:
naughty languagehttp://i.imgur.com/7GQB8P8.jpg
I thought arya's laughing was just perfect.
Sansa is a hottie now that she's all "I'm no longer basic, i'm not a boss b"
Ramsey is such a crazy smurf but I love him. He's so excited that he's a bolton now.
I like how it just faded to no music as the credits. I enjoy the distress of my boyfriend at this show. He was mad about ned. He didn't talk to me for an hour after the red wedding and today he was like "I feel sick. :( Godamn this show"
Blanket, check.
Leftover dinner, check.
Drink, check.
Boner, check.
Everybody on mute, check.
*flexes butt cheeks*
Routine complete. LET'S DO THIS. :DDDDDD
I need to stop watching this show before bedtime. That was a little too gruesome for me. This show can have some powerful moments, but also be really icky.
Sansa is now Littlefinger 2 apparently.
Jesus christ. Now that's an episode.
Long smurfing rant of madness
Where to begin?
The duel was masterfully done. Any doubt I had of HBO's choice of Oberyn Martell was dashed into a thousand pieces at the first instance of him showing off his insane skills with a spear. His movements would had made Darth Maul melt into a puddle of green pudding. They didn't completely nail it though. The part that really sells what we just witnessed wasn't the result of the duel. No, it was Tyrion's reaction, to his imminent guilt. I am SURE that we will see his reaction first thing in the next episode, or I at least remain hopeful of that. But smurf. That was one of the most goriest deaths I've ever seen. Takes a lot nowadays to make me jump and say "HOLY trout" out loud. Especially because I knew it was coming.
It took Sansa four seasons, but she has finally come into her own. At least enough for everybody to not be able to refute it any longer. I was pretty much captivated by her the first moment I saw her, which was fascinating because I didn't care for her book character much at all. That may have something more to do with her looks than anything else, and I'm certainly not ashamed to admit that I was attracted to her from the word go. Only now that she is of legal age are people coming out of the wood work calling her attractive. It's highly amusing, but it is what it is. I don't remember her lying like that in the book, but I don't really remember at all. So it was a pleasant surprise.
I am also glad that Ser Jorah's betrayal has finally been revealed. It was easily the most intriguing thing to happen in Dany's storyline since Drogo was apart of it. Not that that's saying much. And please, don't get me started on this Grey Worm/Missandei romance rubbish. I'M NOT INTERESTED IN IT.
As for the episode 9 build up, I was quite glad to see that Ygritte does have a sensitive side, sparing Gilly and Monster. That was touching. I quite enjoy seeing Tormund Giantsbane in action too. The more I see him, the happier I am. He's just such a hulking, sexy man.
I really enjoy every scene that Ramsay is in. Hate him in the books, but in the show, Iwan has proverbially stolen my heart. He's brilliant at making you respect him, love him, hate him and fear him all in one go. Put all of those qualities together, and you just stop and think about how few actors are able to deliver that many different sides to them. It's uncanny and amazing. His reaction to being legitimized was wonderful, and exactly how I would imagine Jon's reaction would be, if Ned didn't bite the dust and was capable of legitimizing him.
And finally, a would be incredible scene that would steal the highlight of any episode had it not been the trial by combat, Jaime and Tyrion's possible last conversation together was memorable and quite endearing. Not to mention positively hilarious. It seems a bit out of character for Tyrion to mock someone based on their shortcomings, being that he knows how it feels to be on that judged side of the spectrum, but I felt a lot more than just filler talk in it. It was mysterious, entertaining, and adorable. The relationship between Jaime and Tyrion is so beautiful and sacred that I almost want to cry thinking that this may be the last time we see them together.
Yeah, that's a pretty good way to look at it. I'll agree with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noctis Caelum
Also this episode was beautifully shot. I swear every scene was shot so perfectly. The cinematography was beautiful.
Littlefinger: Do you think you know me?
Sansa: I know what you want.
*stares intensely*
...
*staring intensifies*
That scene with Sansa and Petyr, holy trout, blew my mind. Amazing acting on Sansa's part, and that little moment she and Petyr shared was intriguing. I think that this show does such an excellent job of portraying the two sides of Petyr Baelish. Even if he is a dirty old man.
Sick of Arya. Sorry. Sick of her. Don't like her character at all. However, her bursted laughter at Lysa's death was pretty hilarious.
I enjoyed the Jaime and Tyrion bonding scene in the dungeon. Especially the simple cousin smashing beetles part.
This fight scene is what I have been waiting for a all smurfing season, and it did not disappoint. other than it lasted mere minutes (which I guess is realistic, but come on, we've all been waiting for this). Oberyn was beautiful and a joy to watch. The theatrics were a bit much with the hopping around, but other than that, awesome. Except when his eyes were being gouged out and his face smashed. :( That was awful.
I would like to hear beetle theories if they do not spoil anything - books or future episodes.
. . . Well, I certainly chose a fine episode to stumble into this series. I mean, I knew full well this series' graphic violence long before tonight, but that closing scene was brutal. This is coming from somebody who has curb stomped, chainsawed, and gibbed more than his fair share of enemies in video games.
We heard you the first time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty
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Goddammit, Oberyn! You had it! You smurfing had it!
I love seeing Sansa's development into a calculating game player, and now we have the physical appearance to match.
Arya's scene was funny, but not much else. All of us starting laughing even before she did, so it was even funnier when she joined in. I'm interested to see how this plays out. Will these soldiers just let The Hound and Arya Stark walk out of The Vale? Will Arya want to stay in The Vale, or will she be content to stay with The Hound? What plans will he have for her, knowing there is no one else he can ransom her to?
That fight scene! Oberyn didn't particularly stick out for me in the books. Pedro Pascal, on the other hand, made me grow to love the character. They nailed his death. Seeing a character that suave, cocky, and composed screaming for his life is one of the most disturbing things I've seen on television in some time. I knew very well what was coming, and was still shaken by it.
I think this is the writers telling us there is no justice in Westeros. The strong destroy the weak, and there is no way to understand or put a stop to it. Death is all around us, and much of it is senseless. Does Tyrion think it's right to mock the handicapped? Of course not, but he'll be damned if he isn't going to do it anyway so he can be part of the strong at least in some fashion. This is akin to high school cliques and how an outsider might mock someone so the "cool kids" will embrace them, even if they know it is wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lone Wolf Leonhart
Get busy killing or get busy dying.
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Creepy stare of creepy
Arya/Sansa family reunion?
No?
No. T_T
Good job she didn't get any closer, every time Arya gets close to one of her family members they seemingly die.
Hell, she didn't even have to be close to Lyssa and the bitch fell through a moon door. If she and Sansa met up now... lol.
smurfing HUBRIS
I am so MAD AT YOU OBERYN
YOU WERE ONE OF MY FAVOURITES
smurf
gory as trout I did not enjoy that. Ellaria's reaction was really well done, as was the looks of disbelief on Jaime and Tyrion's faces. smurf Cersei though, what a bitch. smurf all of them. smurf the Mountain. GODDAMMIT GEORGE WHY MUST YOU DO THIS TO ME.
My gods. She's the Solid Snake of Game of Thrones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carl the Llama
That Arya laugh and that Baelish/Sansa, god damn. And Ramsay too.
And then
YOU RAPED HER
YOU MURDERED HER
YOU KILLED HER CHILDREN
smurf me.Seriously. That screaming before the explosion was what did it for me. You never think you'd hear him scream, but scream he smurfing did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalevala
After THAT ending, I think I need to stop watching this show. The last thing I need reminding of is how even the good guys can suffer the WORST deaths. Goddammit all.
A Storm of Swords SpoilerTick tock, goes the clock
Even for Tywin...
Tick tock, goes the clock
A Feast for Crows Spoilertill Cersei takes control
smurf me...
A Dance with Dragons spoilerCersei still gets what she has coming to her. #ULTIMATEHUMILATION.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToriJ
Season Five is going to be a fun season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noctis CaelumA Dance with Dragons spoilerCersei still gets what she has coming to her. #ULTIMATEHUMILATION.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToriJ
Oberyn's death was freaking horrible. They only show a second of Oberyn getting wrecked, then the "crunch" happens when he's off-screen, but it's still bad. The worst part was Ellaria Sand's reaction, her scream was painful to watch. I had to go play with my cat for a few minutes to clear my mind after that.
And then Cersei grins. Is there anyone who views her as a sympathetic character? Liking her kids is the only redeeming quality she has, and when her kids are monsters, even that might not be so good.
Then I told my spouse about this episode and she was like "Why do you watch this?" Which is a really good question. Why do we? It feels good to watch the bad guys get their comeuppance. It doesn't feel good to watch the good guys die horrible deaths. Maybe there's some schadenfreude, but it has its limits. Does reading something horrible make us feel better about our lives by comparison? Do we all have a violent, sadistic side that this stuff appeals to? I've been really into dark fiction for a while and I can't explain the appeal, but the appeal is clearly there.
Ugh, I can relate to this 100%. Like, I don't really feel like I'm gaining anything from Game of Thrones anymore, beyond a few funny lines here and there. What's the point of watching a show if it's just gonna make you feel miserable all the time? Maybe it IS just schadenfreude - which is not something I'm comfortable with :<Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Unne
I'm thinking now that part of the appeal is that it's popular and it's fun to talk about with other people who watched the show. There's the shared experience of feeling horrible as a group.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yellow_MagicUgh, I can relate to this 100%. Like, I don't really feel like I'm gaining anything from Game of Thrones anymore, beyond a few funny lines here and there. What's the point of watching a show if it's just gonna make you feel miserable all the time? Maybe it IS just schadenfreude - which is not something I'm comfortable with :<Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Unne
I would like Pedro Pascal to play every single Dornish character in this show until it ends. I will gladly suspend my disbelief if it means I can see him in more scenes.
I loved Littlefinger's spoiler in this episode. xD
I enjoy the story, the characters, and the lore. I can't say I have ever felt miserable watching this show despite all the horrible things that happen. I also like how it has a lot of interesting female characters that are well portrayed, and that's something I haven't seen since Xena: Warrior Princess. I wouldn't assume everyone who watches it does so because they enjoy the suffering of the characters in front of them. I'm sure they exist, but I doubt they're the majority.
I would like to think my previous post summed up my reaction to Oberyn's death and when you consider thats with full knowledge of the event happening.
As a person whose had his jaw shattered, I physically felt the pain of Oberyn getting smashed in the face by Clegane for him.
It's the Law of Conservation of Pain and Joy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr UnneI'm thinking now that part of the appeal is that it's popular and it's fun to talk about with other people who watched the show. There's the shared experience of feeling horrible as a group.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yellow_MagicUgh, I can relate to this 100%. Like, I don't really feel like I'm gaining anything from Game of Thrones anymore, beyond a few funny lines here and there. What's the point of watching a show if it's just gonna make you feel miserable all the time? Maybe it IS just schadenfreude - which is not something I'm comfortable with :<Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Unne
Great episode, the Oberyn vs Mountain scene was better than the book. The Arya laugh was a nice touch.
I've asked myself the same thing. I certainly got no entertainment from that, not even some sadistic appeal. It was just gross. It makes me now want to watch this show, even though 95% of it isn't like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Unne
The problem is that there is no use rooting for likable characters. They either get murdered or corrupted. Tyrion is probably going to get his head chopped off, Sansa has been corrupted, Arya has gone crazy. I guess there is Jon, Bran, and Dany but their storylines take place so far from the action (and you barely even get to see Bran) that it's difficult to get invested in them.
If Tyrion gets his head chopped off next episode and we don't get a Sansa/Arya reunion to placate ourselves then I may be done with this! Done I say!
I feel so dirty and unclean for watching that. I actually refused to watch the end of that scene. I turned the volume down and just averted my eyes, as I sort of sensed that doom impending.
He suffered from James Bond Villain syndrome - not finishing off Clegane when he should damn well do so. I think he wanted the confession though, so he backed off.
I really liked Oberyn as well :(
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Originally Posted by Del Murder(SPOILER)I've asked myself the same thing. I certainly got no entertainment from that, not even some sadistic appeal. It was just gross. It makes me now want to watch this show, even though 95% of it isn't like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Unne
The problem is that there is no use rooting for likable characters. They either get murdered or corrupted. Tyrion is probably going to get his head chopped off, Sansa has been corrupted, Arya has gone crazy. I guess there is Jon, Bran, and Dany but their storylines take place so far from the action (and you barely even get to see Bran) that it's difficult to get invested in them.
If Tyrion gets his head chopped off next episode and we don't get a Sansa/Arya reunion to placate ourselves then I may be done with this! Done I say!
I think you're bluffing.
I watch this show because I'm invested in the story and interested to see plot and character expansion. I love the fact that GRRM does horrible things to his characters - it humanizes the show for me. GRRM's writing style irks me a bit at times, but one thing I will give him amazing credit for is the fact that he actively takes leaps and bounds to unfold events you never could have conceived.
These first four seasons feel like we are still building up to a massive climax, and with everything GRRM has delivered, I know it's going to be a good one. That's why I watch. Bad guy comeuppance is a good kind of satisfaction, but it's only a small part of it; I think that climactic storytelling is another better kind.
I'm glad Martin (and, by extension, Benioff and Weiss) don't cater to me.
Expanding on what Psy said in the recent YouTube video, any character having the possibility to die at any time has the opposite effect of what you'd expect. Rather than cause me to think "smurf it, everyone I love will die so there's no point" I end up even more attached to these characters because their existence is potentially so fleeting. I'm far more emotionally invested than I would be if everyone is safe. Does this mean I get hurt more? Sure, but it also means I feel more overall. It means so much more when "the good guys win" or when there is a funny or happy moment.
Hm, I feel the opposite. If everything goes as it is going, I'll no longer give a smurf about any of these characters after this season. I'll have to weigh that with the desire to see how it all ends because the overarching plot is still interesting.
Also, having a guy's skull crushed doesn't 'humanize' the character for me. I already know skulls can be crushed without having that proven for me on screen.
I think I just need to read ahead in the books so that I'm prepared for this crap. It's much easier to deal with this brutality in print form.
You keep saying you've been put off and you're going to stop watching after every character dies Del and yet here you are. ;)Because that's all humanity is to Gods. Because that's all that human lives are when you play the Game of Thrones. Because that's what characters are to George RR Martin. SMASH, SMASH, SMASH...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lone Wolf Leonhart
Have I said that more than once? I guess I'm a broken record. ;) Well, Tyrion is still around so I'm not done yet. And it's more the brutality I have issue with than likable characters dying. Well, specifically, likable characters dying in brutal ways.
Love or hate what happened, I have to give HBO props because today is the first day in four seasons that I have heard people asking around the office for who watches the show.
If a show is good enough, and/or realistic enough, to make you feel horrible after an episode, then I'd say the actors and everybody involved are doing a pretty damn good job. It's not like we're watch snuff films and getting off from it. It is first and foremost ENTERTAINMENT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yellow_MagicUgh, I can relate to this 100%. Like, I don't really feel like I'm gaining anything from Game of Thrones anymore, beyond a few funny lines here and there. What's the point of watching a show if it's just gonna make you feel miserable all the time? Maybe it IS just schadenfreude - which is not something I'm comfortable with :<Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Unne
And if you're no longer entertained by GoT, then it might be time to ignore it. I think Game of Thrones is getting far too mainstream anyway.
Anyway, as violent as Oberyn's death was, his death shouldn't have stirred this kind of reaction out of people. You should expect it by now. What about when Ned died and his own daughter was there to "see" it? Or the Red Wedding? There's been so many violent deaths, and they got praised like crazy.
Guess it makes sense to draw the line when a guys head explodes like a grape.
I can't be the only one who was not bothered by the gore of this last episode x_x
I was aroused tbh. There aren't many that can get away with it and make it look so tasteful. A comparable is Walking Dead, and their gore is so cheesy that I can't watch that trout anymore. Does absolutely nothing for me. Not to mention it has turned into the worlds most boring soap opera featuring some zombies every now and again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty
I wouldn't call it tasteful but xD Ah, I dunno. It was appropriate to the show and a combat scenario with The Mountain.
The Walking Dead is a bit overblown, but their gore really makes me squirm at times.
For the most part it is tasteful, like when Arya pokes people with her pathetically skinny little blade. The guy doesn't start sneezing out blood. It just looks tasteful. At least they didn't show a close up of Oberyn's head getting caved in. That's where it was tasteful. I imagine if we saw that in great detail, people would be more horrified and would just outright stop watching the show. And that's a shame. The next two episodes are going to blow peoples minds. Especially (SPOILER)the last death of the season.
I had no problem with the violence in this episode. I'm just having problems with the show in general. I'll probably get ripped apart for this, but I just don't think it's a very good show anymore. The first two seasons were excellent, three was decent, but now I think it's sloppy and mostly boring.
The writing is not very good, bordering on bad at points (imo). I'm sorry but the beetle-crushing speech was just banal and trying way too hard. Scenes with Pod and Brienne are totally cringeworthy...comic relief has a place in every serious drama but they overstep the line. And oh dear lord when Daenarys tells Jorah "tell him I changed my mind..." *starts to walk away* "no wait tell him YOU changed my mind". Christ I wanted to throw a rock through the TV. These are just the examples coming to mind now, but I'm noticing it a lot more this season.
Most of the storylines are boring and I don't care about them. I don't give a trout about Khaleesi going to 29994158319 identical Mediterranean cities and freeing the slaves. I don't give a trout about the Hound and Arya (unlikely partnership #130201030510) walking for 20 years through the same bleak marsh. The best scenes take place at King's Landing, because things actually happen there. Every episode is 55 minutes of people talking and walking and then the last 2-3 minutes is the mind-blowing violent ending that keeps people talking about the show.
I'm also starting to think this show was just a bit too ambitious considering the ridiculous scope of the book. We go for weeks without encountering certain storylines, only to be brought back when we've almost completely forgot about them.
I will still give the show a lot of credit for cinematography and production. Some of the actors are really good (Oberyn, Tyrion, Tywin, Vaerys, Stannis, et al are great) and are probably the reason I'm still watching the show.
idk...I don't expect to see much agreement here considering that this is the thread for the show and that everyone seems to really like the show. Please understand that I'm not trying to belittle the fact that you enjoy the show. I'm just venting my frustrations and disappointments. And I'll still watch the whole thing because I have to see what happens now; I just hope it can regain the magic that I found while watching Season 1.
Yep, that Jorah/Danaerys scene was cheese. I can agree with some of your points, but I'm still too invested in the show/storyline to stop!
One of the best episodes of this series was the battle of Blackwater because it pretty much focused on one event and gave that the full treatment. Like I've said before, it would have been better to do full episodes or even a full season of Dany's storyline (and other storylines) rather than this disjointed method of catching up 5 minutes with each character per week. I get that this is the way the book does it but the advantage of books is that the reader can skip ahead and return back as they please.
Also I don't mind The Walking Dead gore for some reason, yet I was really disturbed with this scene and the final moment of The Red Wedding episode. TWD violence is more...cartoony I guess.
Really the best part of this show is talking about it with you all and others. I probably would have stopped watching if it wasn't as popular. Because I don't need to see this kind of crap.
Oh, yeah, Joffrey's poisoned face was one of the most gruesome things of this entire series to me.
Christ Almighty I've never been shaken by a scene like I was by that last scene
Yeah I'm sorry but I covered my eyes during the last bit there. Sorry guys; I'm a wuss.
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Also mad because yet another great character bites the dust :stare:
I think I can agree with a lot of the criticisms you made, Red Pill. A truly bad scene was the Missandei/Grey Worm business. "Hey look we've got these other characters over in Essos besides Dany! Wanna see some titties? Course ya do! CONFLICT.... CONFLICT RESOLVED!" I did not get the point of that whatsoever. Looking back, anything with Roz was also entirely inane and pointless.
When the show is good, it is very, very smurfing good. Sublime, even. And that makes up for some of the weaker parts.
Anyway, the gore itself wasn't a problem. Thumbs being stuck into god damn eye sockets while a man screams was jarring though.
dude no this gave me feels out the wazooQuote:
Originally Posted by Shorty
It was Ellaria's scream that really did it for me but yeah what happened here was a man got his entire mouth caved in with one punch, his eyes were imploded by someone's thumbs, and then his head was crushed. Like if you can watch that and not flinch god damn get some help.
Of course GRRM kills one of the best characters in the entire series really quickly. Oh hoopty-doopty Gilly survives but Oberyn Martell doesn't.
God damnit.
Although Jaime's childlike glee and enthusiasm when he realizes what a great fight he's watching was the best thing.
e; And oh yeah Sarah that's Sam-tier wrongness about this show, that scene was super feels and powerful. Poor Jorah. :(
Interesting thing is we aren't even at the traditional 'climax' episode, Episode Nine. We've had Baelor, Blackwater, Rains of Castamere, and now The Watchers on the Wall.
I'd buckle up - this season hasn't even reached the crescendo yet.
That scene itself was fine, it was her last line that Red Pill pointed out that made it grossly cheese.
If you put the pieces together the climax of this season will not be something any of us will enjoy. I hope to be proven wrong though!Quote:
Originally Posted by Formalhaut
Yeah I think Oberyn - and indeed Renly - are characters that died far too soon.
True enough, but GRRM is noted for usually concealing a piece, is he not? Example: Littlefinger stealing away with Sansa. His absence went un-noted until he resurfaced to carry her off to The Vale.Quote:
Originally Posted by Del MurderIf you put the pieces together the climax of this season will not be something any of us will enjoy. I hope to be proven wrong though!Quote:
Originally Posted by Formalhaut
To be fair, Oberyn is kind of lame in the books. I didn't care about him at all. In the show he's AWESOME.
Also, I second Del: the only reason I keep watching this show is because I enjoy talking about it with others. SO many people watch the show these days. It's gotten really bad, and basically everything Red Pill has said is spot on.
I stopped reading there.Quote:
Originally Posted by I Took the Red Pill
Sweet. Can't wait for Shagga of the Stone Crows to come and save Tyrion from the headsman.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty
It's not that bad. It's at least 70% awesome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinx
Wonderful contribution to the thread. I expect that I will be pondering your argument for days. Well thought out, articulately presented...are you at Harvard Law by chance? Because this is the absolute pinnacle of rational discourse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noctis CaelumI stopped reading there.Quote:
Originally Posted by I Took the Red Pill
Can we get a recap of prominent folks who have died in this season?
Also, forgot to mention - I am interested to see what plans the Boltons have for the North. Speculation: I have a feeling Ramsay will end up murdering his father for some personal benefit because I can't see him being capable of any love or honor toward anyone other than himself. Now that Roose has given him a document sealing his name change to the Bolton house and essentially naming him heir and handing the North to Ramsay, there is really no reason for Roose to remain alive.
I don't know about that, Ramsay has shown definite deference to his father. He seemed legit touched to be made a Bolton. I think he's just insane rather than coniving.
Off the top of my head, you haveQuote:
Originally Posted by Shorty
- King Joffrey Baratheon
- Ser Dontos Hollard (the guy who helped Sansa out)
- The many great masters of Mereen
- The mutineers at Craster's Keep
- Lysa Arryn
- Prince Oberyn Martell
In terms of very major deaths, you're basically looking at Joffrey, Lysa and Oberyn.
Joffrey and Oberyn are the big ones. The Mountain too, though he's less important and I couldn't actually tell if he was dead or merely exhausted at the end of the fight. Mountain spoilersYes I know he's poisoned and probably becomes Robert Strong and all but w/e. I actually can't think of anyone else major though. e; oh hurr right Lysa Arryn.
Keith if your only contribution is "this is a bad show" because you dislike some of the storylines or characters the only argument anyone can offer in return is "no it's a good show". Like yeah the show doesn't hit the mark every time, I'm not all that jazzed about the Sam and Gilly stuff for example, and it's got such a huge scope that inevitably some storylines have to take backseat at times (like uh aren't we meant to be seeing Stannis at the wall a few weeks ago?). But if you just plain dislike large segments of it, what value is there in trying to convince you otherwise? You thought the beetle speech was banal and trying too hard: I thought it was excellent and powerful and held a huge amount of symbolic importance for the show. There's no way to resolve that difference, I'm unlikely to convince you it's great and you're unlikely to convince me it's bad.
So the only thing to do is scorn each other for bad taste.
I like watching the characters and how they interact. In that sense I watch this show for the same reason I watched (SPOILER)My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic
I partially agree with Red Pill's critique. Season 1 and 2 were pretty good. This season feels like filler. Every time I see Hound & Arya, or Dany they're doing the same boring trout. The only thing of interest to me this entire season has been what's going on with the Lannisters and Littlefinger's weird trout. It sucks because while this season is full of filler, it has some of the best moments in the last minutes of the show. I would say all in all after this season is done, it will have the most "omg" moments of any season thus far.
The ending reminded me of the time I dropped a water melon in the fruit aisle, chunks everywhere. Sansa's transformation into Edea was a shock at the end that could get very interesting if she's found her dark side (like Arya). I'm now wondering whether Arya and Hound make progress through the gate. A very grim episode for the good guys last night.
I'd say Lysa Arryn is pretty important - her death has markedly impacted both Sansa's and Littlefinger's storylines. Just because it's way up in the Eyrie (which is still conspicuously absent from the title sequence) doesn't mean it's not important.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mister Adequate
I don't need to dispute (or as you so appropriately word it: contribute) anything in a thread about something that I love and enjoy. I don't go to threads and talk about things that I find boring. I guess I'm just not that masochistic. Better things to do with my time. Please do go on about speaking rationally though, I'm sure you've got a few nuggets of wisdom lodged in there that should be humoured.Quote:
Originally Posted by I Took the Red PillWonderful contribution to the thread. I expect that I will be pondering your argument for days. Well thought out, articulately presented...are you at Harvard Law by chance? Because this is the absolute pinnacle of rational discourse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noctis CaelumI stopped reading there.Quote:
Originally Posted by I Took the Red Pill
NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooOOOOOOOOOoooooooooOOOoooooooo!!!!!!!
(SPOILER)Oberyn was like my 4th fav character! :(
You speak of how the show is a mess and horribly written, but you are bastardizing one of the only truly genuine aspects of the show. And that's the travel time between Sandor and Arya. It is unadulterated, and not sped up to insane and unrealistic proportions, unlike every other character (it took less than a whole episode for Petyr and Sansa to go from Kings Landing by boat to the Eyrie). But oh, let's completely dismiss time being poorly explained and give the only example that shows that time isn't sped up a millionfold and consider it a fault on the show's behalf.Quote:
Originally Posted by I Took the Red Pill
HBO is doing a horrible job making sure that Arya and Sandor don't travel around Westeros at the speed of light, you're right. *snip*
I don't really care to respond to anything else you said, I just think this is something that really needed to be addressed, because nobody else is gonna call you out on your bulltrout.
*snip*
You don't have to agree with the points made, but let's refrain from insults during a debate. ~Shorty
You misunderstand the point of my post. I don't expect to "convince" anyone otherwise. Nor do I expect to "resolve that difference". Nor do I want to do either of those things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Adequate
If you read the last paragraph of my post, then you saw that it was mostly a venting of frustrations. At most I hoped people would address specific points I brought up in the post, which they have, so I'm happy about that, whether I agree or disagree with what they're saying.
The reason I talk about a show I find boring is because it used to be not boring, and I'm disappointed in it. The thread is for discussion of the TV show. I'm bringing up specifics so that I can see how others feel about it. For the third time, it was meant to be my venting. If you didn't read it, fine, I don't care. But making a post about how you didn't read my post is unnecessarily blasé, rude, and worthless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noctic Caelum
Ah, ok then. Glad to see you have deigned to respond to my point. My comment that the writing is "borderline bad" has somehow become "horribly written".We have a word magician in our presence. Watch him as he pulls loaded words out of thin air!Quote:
Originally Posted by Noctis Caelum
If you like the dynamic between Arya and the Hound, that's wonderful. Yes, travelling on foot would be slow and would take a long time. And so if you have a storyline that is strong enough to be given 10-15 minutes of showtime every episode, then I have no problem with it. But I find this particular storyline to be tired and repetitive. Hound says something gruff about killing a man, Arya says something clever that undermines what he's saying, Hound mumbles and grumbles, lather, rinse, repeat. I don't care if it's unadulterated, quasi-realtime travel. It's still boring. Ah, but you know what? I'm just an impatient meathead. Just...just forget it, ok? My opinion is clearly not worthy of your consideration.
The next episode is supposed to have a record budget like double Blackwater's and I believe spends the whole time at the wall. Did you see that preview? Eeeeee I'm excited.
At least we agree about one thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by I Took the Red Pill
One person that everyone's forgotten about is Ygritte. She's been very quiet all season, only appearing here and there. She's hardened up alot since Jon left, and I know people were surprised with how callously she attacked that small village earlier in this season (Episode Three, I think).
Because of all that, I did quite like that bit with Gilly - it shows that she still has a heart.
Also, did no-one else get a 'Black Swan' vibe from new Sansa's outfit?
Enough, please. Let's keep things civil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noctis CaelumAt least we agree about one thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by I Took the Red Pill
Double Blackwater? The entire time at the Wall? Man, it's gonna be some full on Helm's Deep trout, isn't it? I hope we full on see mammoths and giants wrecking trout :excited:Quote:
Originally Posted by Freya
OOOH MYYYY GOOOOOOOD what an episode!
i knew Oberyn would die... but ow man! HOW he died
sidenote: sansa looked drop dead gorgeous when she walked down the stairs
I think this really sums up how annoyed I am at this episode. Did the gore shock me? No. Did the scream get to me? No. Did the manner of his death get to me? No. It was the fact that yet again the good guy loses and it was just so effing frustrating. Not just that, though - that it ended right there, like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Unne
I immediately, out of frustration, went ahead and spoiled what happens in the future by reading the book's wiki. I have no regrets about doing this. It's got to the point that I'm almost willing to just read the entire wiki to find out everything and then can watch the TV series with a bit more peace of mind. There is a line where things become so bad for everyone that I just don't give a trout about spoilers anymore, and I've crossed that line. :shobon:
One thing I must say is that hot damn Sansa was smokin' hot when she came down those stairs. It was jaw dropping. It's a unbelievable (literally) turnaround but I hope like hell that doesn't mean she's going to be Littlefinger's Bitch. I hope she becomes his superior if anything. I definitely hope she doesn't end up smurfing with him or Robin because she deserves better. ...she'll probably end up doing both and another character will be ruined. ._. Here's hoping for a pleasant surprise for a change, though.
This series needs pleasant surprises to go with the bad, and I feel the balance has been quite off this season... maybe it's just me. Ah well.
Either way, that episode was definitely notable. Gutted we didn't see the Stark sister reunion.
OMG EVEN LOONY BOB IS OKAY WITH SPOILERS NOW WHAT IS THIS WORLD COMING TO?
I'm not okay with spoilers here, I can select spoilers I read in the Wiki. ;) But yeah, it's just the general nature of not wanting to feel like rubbish for watching an episode.
She straight-up murdered half a dozen women a few seconds before she found Gilly. She was always hard and she still is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Formalhaut
Jon misunderstood her as being less a wildling than she was, and she misunderstood Jon as having rejected the Night's Watch when he was just pretending. When they found that guy and the wildlings were telling Jon to kill him to prove his loyalties, Ygritte's reaction wasn't "poor old man", it was "do it Jon!". The thing Jon and Ygritte had together north of the Wall was genuine to a point, but they both had clouded pictures of each other. After she filled him full of arrows, I imagine they understand each other a little better now. If she has a heart, it's buried pretty deep.
I barely have 10 minutes to spare in the morning before I leave for work, yet alone an hour! :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
I just watched. Holy trout.
The gore didn't really bother me as I'm not particularly sqeamish, but it was far more brutal than I imagined they would do! If people went battrout crazy over the Red Wedding, well, wow.
But it was just chilling. Oberyns screaming. Ellaria's screaming. The smile disappearing from Jaime's face when he realised Oberyn was done for. Cersei's smile. Oh man, it sent chills through me.
Even though I knew it was going to happen, I'm still gutted because I think Pedro was fantastic.
I also loved the scene between Jaime & Tyrion. It was just brothers being brothers. It was really sweet, I think.
I personally still love the series as much as I did when I first began watching it. Watching the characters grow, and change. I find it fascinating. Sure, there are scenes and characters that aren't as gripping as others, but is this not always the case? Everybody has their favourites and those that they can't connect with. For me, I struggle to connect with the Bran story.
I like that we're beginning to see the transformation of Sansa.
There has to be! :excited:Quote:
Originally Posted by PsychoticDouble Blackwater? The entire time at the Wall? Man, it's gonna be some full on Helm's Deep trout, isn't it? I hope we full on see mammoths and giants wrecking trout :excited:Quote:
Originally Posted by Freya
She has a heart, she loved him.
He betrayed her.
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
Can't say I was expecting his head to explode, but the gore didn't bother me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty
I have to agree the beetle scene was trying too hard, though. If it was just the writers saying Westeros was unfair you get the same result from Tyrion saying, "If you want justice you came to the wrong place."
Yeah Sansa just revealed that she is a high-grade player of the game and is just about done smurfing around with pretending to be meek and helpless. She ain't no basic bitch. And god damn that outfit she had at the end.
Daniel, you seriously went and spoiled it for yourself? Why not just wait! gah you guys kill me
Hopefully it's just you Bob. For some reason some people have this strange notion that a work of art has to make you feel good to be good. That's silly. If it made you feel at all then it did it's job. Happy endings have their place, but having them in all of the media someone consumes is for children and those with fragile dispositions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
And gore ain't nothing to be afraid of. The bloodier the better I always say.