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Originally Posted by Renmiri

Can dream people summon ? Methinks not. Otherwise Bahamut could summon a "junior Bahamut" and so on. Surely a Final Aeon would be able to summon an army of small aeons if this was possible.

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I agree with your conclusion, but not the reasoning. If the Bahamut Aeon were to summon itself, it would be calling on the same resources that are already in use, and this is not possible, like why you can't summon Valefor while fighting Ptera (sp? Isaaru's Valefore in any case). Similarly, if the soul manifestation (the ghost of the kid) were to summon, he's energies would immediately be put into becoming the aeon, thus the ghost would fade, which then removes anyforce pulling the aeon together, therefore the aeon would not appear. This would be why any aeon could not summon itself. I see nothing ruling out the summoning of other aeons however, and am at a loss to explain a mechanism what would prevent that, but I do believe it may be possible, see next point.

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Originally Posted by Renmiri

The very nature of Dream Zanarkand precludes the existence of Summoners IMHO. The people on Dream Zanarkand are essentially Aeons, and as such can not summon another Aeon.

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Leading on from my previous point, Aeons can use magic, which is pyrefly manipulation. Also, Jecht, an aeon under current definitions, was able to become a fayth. He became an aeon aeon. This implies that whatever force was summoning him made his hold on the world so pervasive and impermeable that he was real enough to become a fayth, so I do not see why he could also not summon. Certainly being composed entirely of pyreflies would not stop him, see Belgemine, the unsent summoner.

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Originally Posted by Renmiri

I think he was referring to Sin's appearance at DZ, at the beggining of X. At least I suspect Tidus had not seen fiends before Sin attacked DZ, as he didn't even own a sword or know what to do when confronted with sins scales.

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One would think that this event would be quite traumatic, right? Then why, if he is refering to this, would he sound amused, as if he was remembering good and fun times? Unless my memory is wrong, he sounded nostalgic and energetic when he recalled the few fiends that DZ had seen.

We have seen on X-2 that the fayth / aeons are quite helpless without a summoner, unable to prevent Shuyin from making them do his dirty deeds. Which leads me to believe that the magic the Aeons use comes from the summoner or needs a summoner to be used. This is why I don't believe there was magic in Zanarkand: there where no summoners but Yu Yevon and he was kind of in a coma, only living to summon and protect DZ.

Belgemine, Seymour and Lenne had been summoners while alive, which I believe made a big difference.

As far as Tidus smiling when he talked about Sin in DZ, it's just the way he was: a cheerful guy. Hence hated by FFVII fanboys who like their heros moody and dark :p

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Originally Posted by Mirage

Yes. Psi has it spot on.

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Yes. Yes he does.

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Originally Posted by Renmiri

but Yu Yevon and he was kind of in a comma, only living to summon and protect DZ.

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So what you're saying is that punctuation is to blame for everything?

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Originally Posted by Odaisé Gaelach

So what you're saying is that punctuation is to blame for everything?

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No, but grammar is :p

I don't think Tidus was talking about Sin or Sinspawn when he mentioned fiends. If you remember he says "Its a big deal when ONE shows up". As Sin's "attack" on DZ involved Sinspawn PLURAL, Tidus could not be referring to this incident, so he must have been thinking about another time when just one fiend appeared.