I would be really mad if the finals were pistons and spurs again. Cheering on the warriors though cause i like jumping on bandwagons.
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I would be really mad if the finals were pistons and spurs again. Cheering on the warriors though cause i like jumping on bandwagons.
As much as I don't wanna completely blame the Spurs' loss on the officiating, something tells me it somehow contributed to the outcome (something tells me that they need instant replay in the NBA beyond just the last few seconds of each quarter). The one thing that really tipped me off was two of the refs on the officiating crew who have had a history of screwing the Spurs over through phantom calls; Steve Javie and Jack Nies. As crazy as this conspiracy theory sounds, this is just a gut feeling I cannot shake off. First of all, I believe Nies has a vendetta against Tim Duncan stemming from an incident a few years back when Duncan ran into Nies, resulting in an ejection and suspension. Secondly, I vividly remember all those phantom calls Steve Javie made against the Spurs last year in Game 2 in the Western Conference Semifinals, including a foul called against Parker that, according to the letter of the law, should have been called an offensive foul, since Parker was pushed off by the offensive player's off-arm in that particular game. Third, I've had this gut feeling all along that the refs were going to retaliate against the Spurs as an act of protest of Joey Crawford's suspension. I don't have any conclusive proof that they were trying to screw the Spurs over, except for their history, so it's only a gut feeling I have. I do know that Steve Javie is no stranger to controversy; in fact, he also has a history of ejecting radio analysts for disputing calls from their broadcast position, as well as screwing over the Miami Heat. He once told Heat head coach Pat Riley, "It's giving us absolute pleasure to watch you and your team die." He was also one of 10 NBA referees to be investigated for tax evasion. I think that rap sheet, alone, is reason enough for Javie not to be trusted as an official.
Two calls I believe should be in question are:
a) Tripping foul called against Bruce Bowen. Yes, Steve Nash did slip up on that play. But I didn't see any contact on that play.
b) Offensive foul call on Tim Duncan. The contact Duncan initiated in the act of shooting is basically what happens a lot in the NBA, and the referees usually call the foul against the defender in those situations. After rewinding to that foul call on my DVR, I saw that the defender probably did not get there and set his feet in time to draw the charge, and it looked like his chest was sticking out. That could've been a blocking foul. Then again, sometimes those Block/Charge situations are tough to call, and the refs only have a split second to make that call one way or the other, so I kinda have to give the officials the benefit of the doubt there.
I do, however, agree with the officials calling a flagrant on Robert Horry and resulting ejection. I wouldn't be surprised if Stu Jackson and David Stern decide to suspend Horry for Game 5. However, I think it'll be interesting to see if any action gets taken against Raja Bell (for starting the ensuing scuffle that led to his technical foul), Boris Diaw, and/or Amare Stoudemire (the latter two left the bench area shortly after the scuffle started; should the league follow the letter of the law exactly, those two would be suspended, but they probably did not have any of their feet on the court area).
lol for suggesting that the Spurs are getting jipped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bloodline666
First of all, in the case of Duncan, most of the free throws he gets are the result of him barrelling into defenders and getting foul calls.
Second of all, you're commenting about a game that happened last year that was, by all means, a blowout?
Third of all, I hope you're not even beginning to defend Bruce Bowen, for anything that he does. There is no defense left for Bruce Bowen besides the tired old "people just don't want to see people play good defense anymore". There is too much DOCUMENTED evidence of dirty play on his behalf for here to be any question that he is a dirty player. He trips people. He KICKS people in their achilles. He kicks people in the face. He kicks people in the back... he puts his feet under jump shooters to twist their ankles. No other player in the NBA does this with such regularity.
Fourth of all, you're saying the Spurs got jobbed by the refs by pointing out TWO plays? There are close plays in the NBA all the time, and the Spurs get the large percentage of them in their favor. They didn't get these in their favor. But perhaps the fact that they didn't is what is so conspicuous.
And fifth of all, the NBA will suspend Horry for a game and no one else. The NBA will find some loophole for Amare and Diaw, because that's what the NBA does. There are no rules. Stu Jackson does what he wants to do. Amare and Diaw left the bench because of an altercation. End of story. In the case of Duncan and Bowen, I actually don't think they should be suspended, because I don't think there was an altercation to speak of.
I'm proud of the NBA for actually following its own rules for once.
I'm saying this, rooting for the Spurs in this series. I hate them with all of my heart, but I'd rather see them win than pretty porcelain Steve. I think that for any other player, Horry's foul would just be a regular foul. But Nash went flying into the scorer's table and went to the ground like he got shot. Total flop.
Heh, you two should get together.
GO BULLS! This series should be 3-2 Bulls but they smurfed up that 3rd game. Lets see if they can win game 6 in Chicago and take it to 7 in Detroit. That would be huge. They had a great game tonight. Fantastic Defense, Incredible offense and Crazy good team work. They only thing they failed at was rebounding but when you are shooting 72% going into half time that isn't as big of a concern :D
48 minutes of almost flawless scoring(I won't count the last 4 minutes with the bencher's.) That was a great W the Bulls pulled off. Keep this going into the last two games and the Bulls will make history! Keep it up, guys!
If they go to the conference finals then I am so going to have to buy some tickets to go see them at the UC. I am a big Bulls fan and nothing would please me more for them to beat those whinny ass clowns.
I wasn't much of a BBall fan during the last rivalry in the late 80s due to me being like...6 or 7 but this Detroit team has just pissed me off for years. I hate them a lot and nothing would please me more than to see their asses booted from the playoffs by the Bulls.
Now if only the Lakers could have beaten the Suns ;_;
Ah well, have fun fishing Warriors. You were the best story of these playoffs by far.
God I hope the finals aren't Pistons-Spurs again. I mean, I respect both team's games a whole lot, but you can only watch the half court set so many times before it gets really old.
Pistons and Spurs would be terrible. I hate the Pistons and I don't really care for cry baby Duncan. Last time I was rooting for the Spurs to defeat the Pistons and this time I don't think I would even watch.
It is sad to see Golden State go but they accomplished more than anyone thought they would.
Jazz are going on when people(at the start of the playoffs) thought they would die to Dallas in round 2. Now they are in the conference finals with some resting time.
Great playoffs so far. Now lets see if Chicago and steal this away from Detroit. Even if the Bulls don't win, I would watch out for them next year. They have a lottery pick and a lot of talent to trade if they want to pick up a person like J O'Neal or K Garnett. They could be quite the threat next year.
Chicago will not pull off a Boston Red Sox and win the next two. In fact, the only major league in which a team has NOT come back from a 0-3 deficit to win a playoff series is the NBA...The Pistons will send the Chicago Bull:skull::skull::skull::skull: fishing...GUARAN-SHEED!
I think any feel-good story that the Warriors might have been is all but eliminated when you look with perspective on the way they acted throughout their 11 games. Honestly, Davis and Richardson shouldn't have even been playing last night with their cheapshots in game 4, and Richardson shouldn't have played game 6 against Dallas for admitting to shoving a fan. They picked up 14 flagrant and technical fouls in their 11 games, and showed pretty pathetic attitudes throughout.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Bandito
Bitter bitter bitter!
WE BELIEVE
....that this was the best entertainment the NBA playoffs had to offer, and only if Nash and Bowen get into fisticuffs in one of the next three games will anything come close.
NBA fights are always entertaining, ESPECIALLY in the Playoffs. But what we saw on Monday pales in comparison to the Heat/Knicks playoff fights from 10 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Murder
Speaking of Bowen, it's ironic that two people he got into on-court fights with in his career are now his teammates; Brent Barry and Michael Finley.
Eh, I stopped considering the Warriors a "feel good" story after they demolished Dallas in the first game of Oakland. They played with heart and Baron Davis had more intensity in the series than the entire Mavericks team combined. I WANT to see some physical play from a team. I agree with Barkley that the NBA has become so quick on the trigger with technicals and flagrants that you're starting to lose the swagger that so many teams used to have. I'm tired of seeing Manu Ginobli fly three feet every time someone touches him. Give me back my old-school elbows and hard fouls "now it's personal" series anytime. No team has even come close to the excitement Golden State brought when they hit the floor on offense AND defense. They played the way my Nuggets wished they could play. Mike D'Antoni likes to call the Suns "organized chaos" but the Warriors made them look more like the Spurs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirobaito
As for the Bulls, they really don't have a real good favorable matchup at any position against the Pistons. They'll have to play perfect again their next game to even come close to beating the Pistons. Unless they meldown, the Pistons should go into the Finals without too much stress.
The Bulls lost and shot themselves in the foot again. They played shot like crap and it wasn't because of Detroit's defense. They just were not banging down shots. They had plenty of free looks that they just blew. This is why they need that inside presence to help take over when Deng, Gordon and Hinrich are not banging down their shots.
I have to give lots of credit to PJ Brown. He played great. I also give a lot of credit to Prince. That guy has developed a nice hook to go over defenders and get the bucket. He used it to shoot over Deng the whole night and there is only so much you can do to stop a nice hook shot and that is to have the mad hops of Tyrus or Dwight Howard to smack that ball out of the air.