The Wii... Sucks

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Originally Posted by Dreddz

This is why you try a console before you buy it silly. I played Wii sports alot and Red Steel, and hated both.

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Yeah, Red Steel was the suck.

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My real beef is with Nintendo itself though, and how they treat there systems in general. Even with the massive audience the Wii has, games still come out at a slug pace, especially the decent ones.

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It's true. Nintendo is in a difficult position. On one hand, if they flood the market with Nintendo Games, the general consumer will overlook the 3rd party stuff. People who buy Nintendo systems tend to buy Nintendo Games. This is one of the big reasons that Nintendo 'fell from grace' the last couple of generations. 3rd party developers just couldn't compete with Mario, so they abandoned the Nintendo camp.

On the other hand, Nintendo is now trying to give them an opportunity to do their thing, spacing out their big releases to give 3rd parties more time (while still perfecting their Next Big Game). But 3rd parties are either taking their sweet time, or putting out a bunch of licensed junk.

This is only a problem in the West, though. Japanese 3rd parties have no problems with Nintendo pumping out 1st party games because their stuff has a fair chance of selling. In the West, a good deal of the 'real' gamers are the "I Got a Wii Just For Zelda" crowd. They get Zelda, then cast their eyes on the rest of the library and see....nothing. How are 3rd parties supposed to compete with Zelda when people are jaded and narrow-minded when it comes to games?

There are a handful of other great games out there that are very much worth playing (though many don't shake the 'gimmick', the gimmick is fun). People are overlooking them because they're 'different'--but isn't the point of the Wii to try something different?

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Originally Posted by JKTrix

This is one of the big reasons that Nintendo 'fell from grace' the last couple of generations. 3rd party developers just couldn't compete with Mario, so they abandoned the Nintendo camp.

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There are a lot of reasons third party development dried up in the N64 era and continued that trend through the GC era, but that wasn't one of them.

I've got to agree with MILF, and it's really something I've been saying all along; the controller so far has been little more than a gimmick. I don't need, nor want a party system. I rarely have the chance to get together with more than one or two friends once a week to play games, and we have a lot more fun passing the Guitar Hero controller around or going a few rounds in Fight Night than we did playing Wii Sports. For people like me, the Wii offers little to nothing of any gaming value to me. When it gets more titles with some depth maybe, but I don't see that happening anytime soon as the early success and low development costs seem to be encouraging quick development of some pretty simple games to try and capitalize on the success (I think the Wii's popularity took developers by surprise as much as it did consumers). It seems like very few companies aside from Nintendo are actually developing major titles for it, and since I've certainly made no secret of my dissapointment in recent Nintendo titles, you can guess where that leaves me.

IMO PS3 caught up the day it came it out.

You can't really compare Wii and PS3 though. I mean, it's a bit like comparing Singstar with MGS.

Wii is for the few-hours-a-week-casual-gamer, imo.

i counter with this:

Wii rox.

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Originally Posted by tidus_rox

I bought a Wii. Morning it came out. My friend pressured me inot buying it, so I did. I Love it.

I dont really know why I Love it, but then again, I dont know why people Hate it. It Excites me very quickly and I suck. Even TP, I Love it.

So please tell me what you guys see in it, or if you Love it... you rock! lol. No but seriously, I just think the Wii is a Great console and the PS3 Is very gay
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Wow, so far the only valid argument against Wii that I've seen is, "I don't have friends to play it with, wah."

Everyone thought the DS was a gimmick when it first came out, too -- myself included. Now look at it since it got past it's Nintendogs stage: it's a great system with fun to be had whether you want to play with friends, or by yourself. This is what I'm seeing in the future of the Wii.

As far as games currently go, I don't see how anyone can complain. We already have Twilight Princess and Super Paper Mario available, as well as a growing library of virtual console games. There's a few others I haven't had a chance to play yet, but I hear are great (Trauma Center, Elebits). Mario Party 8 is almost here, and let's face it: Wii is the system those games were destined for. Nights is on the way, as well as Smash Brothers and Mario Galaxy. There's also that "Sadness" game I keep hearing about that looks fantastic.

Let's compare this to the PS3, a system you (just speaking generally, here) spent $600 on because it's going to have a handful of exclusives eventually. Right, you just keep on playing Resistance. If it's any consolation, you can spend the next several months rebuilding your movie library on Blu-ray until something good comes out?

(360 is hardly a fair comparison with the amount of shelf time it's had.)

I just think people are expecting a little too much out of this system so quickly. In any case, it's not like you spent buckets of money to buy the thing. Along the lines of His Own MILF's words, why not keep it as a party console and do your hardcore gaming elsewhere? If you're really so lonely, just sell it on eBay. You're bound to make a few bucks with the ongoing shortage.

Wolf Kanno and ljkkjlcm9 said pritty much every thing i was going to say:D just give it time alot of good games are just around the corner SSBM and MP3 for instance and the ps3 doesnt realyy offer to much now and in the near future so far and like wolf Kanno said MGS4 is the only thing that would intrest me

and the fact that every body says its not for "real gamers" i dont find to be true, as a person who has devoted alot of time to gameing one of the things i look for in a game is a challenge and the wii certanly pays in that department its so hard to get used to at first >_<

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Originally Posted by Germ Hamee

We already have Twilight Princess and Super Paper Mario available, as well as a growing library of virtual console games. There's a few others I haven't had a chance to play yet, but I hear are great (Trauma Center, Elebits). Mario Party 8 is almost here, and let's face it: Wii is the system those games were destined for. Nights is on the way, as well as Smash Brothers and Mario Galaxy. There's also that "Sadness" game I keep hearing about that looks fantastic.

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I've already got TP on the GC and may never play it again since I got bored senseless after two dungeons (it's OoT all over again no matter which way you look at it). Every VC game that interests me I also already own, and more importantly, I can generally find used copies of N64 games I want but don't own at lower prices than on the virtual console. The only other game you mentioned that even interests me is Trauma Center, but I would never buy any system for it. The games coming to the VC may interest you, but most of them are too short/shallow in the gameplay department to interest me much.

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Originally Posted by Germ Hamee

Let's compare this to the PS3, a system you (just speaking generally, here) spent $600 on because it's going to have a handful of exclusives eventually. Right, you just keep on playing Resistance. If it's any consolation, you can spend the next several months rebuilding your movie library on Blu-ray until something good comes out?

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Ignorance must be bliss huh? I've had my PS3 since about a month after launch. In that time, I've picked up seven games. Two being dedicated exclusives, and VF5 being exclusive until August. I have to say as well that I've enjoyed every one of them far more than every Wii game I've played. As far as I'm concerned, I've already gotten my money's worth out of the console, and by the end of the year, I'll be playing games like Lair, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, Heavenly Sword, MGS4, Warhawk, and Socom, and those are just the exclusive titles that I'm looking forward to. Go ahead; ask me if I'm dissapointed with my purchase.

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Originally Posted by Germ Hamee

I just think people are expecting a little too much out of this system so quickly.

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I don't think it's unreasonable to expect more great titles than the Wii has released at this point. I've already mentioned a half dozen PS3 titles that look like they'll be great games without even getting into multi-platform titles, or titles that will be released next year, and not to mention the seven I already own. If the Wii can't match that with the developer support it seems to be garnering then it tells me there's something wrong, at least from my perspective.

so are you happy with your purchase?

i think if you don't like what you bought, stop whining and trade it in or sell it. if you like it, great!

i like the wii...so i'll keep it, and my 360..if i play the ps3 and like it, i'll buy one.

I laugh at everyone still debating this overused topic, everyone will always have a different opinion and gaming style, neither is better than the other.

Just Shut The Hell Up Already.

well has no one ever heard of 'try before you buy'?

WTF

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Originally Posted by Germ Hamee

Everyone thought the DS was a gimmick when it first came out, too -- myself included. Now look at it since it got past it's Nintendogs stage: it's a great system with fun to be had whether you want to play with friends, or by yourself. This is what I'm seeing in the future of the Wii.

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I also thought the DS was a gimmick system when it came out. Now I think it is a system with a gimmick. Seriously, aside from EBA, everything I've played makes little to no use of the Stylus - Theme Park comes closest in fact, and there's little if anything there that can't be reproduced otherwise. It's an absolutely fantastic system that was worth every penny, but I didn't get it because it's got anything unique in terms of the console itself - I got it because it's got some unique games (Pokemon).

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Nights is on the way, as well as Smash Brothers

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Valid and probably worth getting the system for by themselves.

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Originally Posted by Vivi22

I've already got TP on the GC and may never play it again since I got bored senseless after two dungeons (it's OoT all over again no matter which way you look at it).

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I'll agree that TP has an identity crisis during the first few dungeons, but it really develops into it's own thing after you get through the initial set of temples. The nostalgia factor was enough to get me through the same-old-same-old. Then again, I was a huge fan of OoT.

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Originally Posted by Vivi22

In that time, I've picked up seven games. Two being dedicated exclusives, and VF5 being exclusive until August. I have to say as well that I've enjoyed every one of them far more than every Wii game I've played. As far as I'm concerned, I've already gotten my money's worth out of the console, and by the end of the year, I'll be playing games like Lair, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, Heavenly Sword, MGS4, Warhawk, and Socom, and those are just the exclusive titles that I'm looking forward to. Go ahead; ask me if I'm dissapointed with my purchase.

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That's great! I haven't been impressed with any of the half-assed titles that I've played so far, but I'm sure it's just a personal preference. They were by all means pretty, but I didn't enjoy playing them at all. I couldn't even get myself to enjoy Resistance, which is apparently the best game PS3 has out for it right now. I am, however, looking forward to Lair, and a handful of other titles forthcoming. But if I bought one right now, the only thing I would be able to do with it is keep it clean and watch movies. With the Wii, I've spent far less than half of what you have with the PS3, and I'll bet I'm just as satisfied with it as you are with your Playstation. To each his own.

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Originally Posted by Vivi22

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect more great titles than the Wii has released at this point.

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I really do think it's a bit unreasonable, especially considering the kind of system Wii is. Again, the DS went through the same thing. Developers were a little too excited to exploit the touch screen features and the library was just a pool of mini-games. It took awhile before they figured out how to really develop great games for the system. The same thing seems to be happening with the Wii, and it's to be totally expected. I'm personally shocked that they've squeezed out any decent games at all. Wii is the kind of system that takes some serious growing into.

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Originally Posted by I'm my own MILF

I also thought the DS was a gimmick system when it came out. Now I think it is a system with a gimmick. Seriously, aside from EBA, everything I've played makes little to no use of the Stylus - Theme Park comes closest in fact, and there's little if anything there that can't be reproduced otherwise. It's an absolutely fantastic system that was worth every penny, but I didn't get it because it's got anything unique in terms of the console itself - I got it because it's got some unique games (Pokemon).

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Well said!

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Originally Posted by Araciel

well has no one ever heard of 'try before you buy'?

WTF

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Yes... sounds weird if you throw away 200 bucks for something you don't even know a thing about. I think the author is just ranting about the existance of Wii in general.