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09-22-2007, 10:58 PM
Fonzie

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Originally Posted by Kawaii Ryûkishi

The clones are sterile because they were intentionally engineered that way. Solidus says as much in MGS2.

Well, I'd think they were cloned sterile because of Big Boss's altered genes from the nuclear radiation he received.
09-22-2007, 11:49 PM
Kawaii Ryûkishi

You'd be wrong, though.
09-23-2007, 12:04 AM
Maxico

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Originally Posted by Kawaii Ryûkishi

Big Boss was made sterile by the nuclear tests at Bikini Atoll during the 1950s. He couldn't have had any biological children.

Apparantly on some part of some DVD box set re-release they elaborate that it was the Davy Crockett blast that made him sterile instead of the Bikini Atoll tests.

Also the 'Big Mama' scene made me cringe.
09-23-2007, 12:14 AM
Fonzie

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Originally Posted by Kawaii Ryûkishi

You'd be wrong, though.

You'd be arrogant, though.
09-23-2007, 03:36 AM
Bolivar

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Originally Posted by The Fonz

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Originally Posted by Kawaii Ryûkishi

You'd be wrong, though.

You'd be arrogant, though.

lol...

thinking about the sterile issue, i don't know, pregnancies have a tendency to pop up when you least expect.

Also I'm thinking about whether what Liquid said in 2 was true, that snake is aging faster due to Big Boss being cloned in the 70s. That would put snake's real age at like 90 and he doesn't look that old. I'm thinking maybe they'll slant it so that it's FoxDie that's having that effect.

And then there's the concept art put out early...with Big Boss. I heard in twin snakes Ocelot mentions in "the phone call" that no one knows where Big Boss' remains really are... damn i gotta play that!
09-23-2007, 07:45 AM
Slothy

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Originally Posted by Bolivar

Also I'm thinking about whether what Liquid said in 2 was true, that snake is aging faster due to Big Boss being cloned in the 70s. That would put snake's real age at like 90 and he doesn't look that old. I'm thinking maybe they'll slant it so that it's FoxDie that's having that effect.

I'm not sure what you mean here. Big Boss was cloned in the 1970's while MGS4 only takes place in 2014 which only puts him in his forties. His body is just aging rapidly so that physically he appears much older.
09-23-2007, 04:56 PM
Bolivar

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Originally Posted by Vivi22

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Originally Posted by Bolivar

Also I'm thinking about whether what Liquid said in 2 was true, that snake is aging faster due to Big Boss being cloned in the 70s. That would put snake's real age at like 90 and he doesn't look that old. I'm thinking maybe they'll slant it so that it's FoxDie that's having that effect.

I'm not sure what you mean here. Big Boss was cloned in the 1970's while MGS4 only takes place in 2014 which only puts him in his forties. His body is just aging rapidly so that physically he appears much older.

I'm referring to how Liquid said that when Big Boss was cloned he was in his 50's in MGS2. He said that's why he's been aging rapidly, coming from an old source. That's what I meant by "real age." 50 + 40 = 90.
09-23-2007, 05:03 PM
Fatal Impurity

Gotta love the boozing monkey! And that big mama thing sounded more corny than the ending of MGS2
09-23-2007, 06:24 PM
Slothy

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Originally Posted by Bolivar

I'm referring to how Liquid said that when Big Boss was cloned he was in his 50's in MGS2. He said that's why he's been aging rapidly, coming from an old source. That's what I meant by "real age." 50 + 40 = 90.

Technically his genetic code would be that old, but Snake still would have been born and grown up like a normal person so he is in his forties, or possibly early fifties by now. It's just that once he started to reach the age Big Boss was when he was cloned his aging began to accelerate.
09-23-2007, 06:33 PM
Bolivar

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Originally Posted by Bolivar

I'm referring to how Liquid said that when Big Boss was cloned he was in his 50's in MGS2. He said that's why he's been aging rapidly, coming from an old source. That's what I meant by "real age." 50 + 40 = 90.

Technically his genetic code would be that old, but Snake still would have been born and grown up like a normal person so he is in his forties, or possibly early fifties by now. It's just that once he started to reach the age Big Boss was when he was cloned his aging began to accelerate.

yeah that makes sense, the whole thing is a little shoddily adressed, I guess they'll elaborate on it more with this one seeing as how its such a stand-out part of the game.
09-23-2007, 06:36 PM
Kawaii Ryûkishi

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Originally Posted by Bolivar

Also I'm thinking about whether what Liquid said in 2 was true, that snake is aging faster due to Big Boss being cloned in the 70s. That would put snake's real age at like 90 and he doesn't look that old. I'm thinking maybe they'll slant it so that it's FoxDie that's having that effect.

FOXDIE kills instantly when it takes effect. It has nothing to do with accelerated aging.

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And then there's the concept art put out early...with Big Boss.

Placing Big Boss's corpse in that preliminary concept art was Yoji Shinkawa's decision. It had nothing to do with any story plans on Kojima's part.

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I heard in twin snakes Ocelot mentions in "the phone call" that no one knows where Big Boss' remains really are... damn i gotta play that!

Don't bother. Ocelot says nothing of the sort, and The Twin Snakes is pretty awful anyway.

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Originally Posted by Bolivar

I'm referring to how Liquid said that when Big Boss was cloned he was in his 50's in MGS2. He said that's why he's been aging rapidly, coming from an old source. That's what I meant by "real age." 50 + 40 = 90.

Liquid was wrong, or rather, this was retconned as of MGS3. Big Boss was actually cloned while in his forties.
09-25-2007, 04:48 PM
Bolivar

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Originally Posted by Kawaii Ryûkishi

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Originally Posted by Bolivar

Also I'm thinking about whether what Liquid said in 2 was true, that snake is aging faster due to Big Boss being cloned in the 70s. That would put snake's real age at like 90 and he doesn't look that old. I'm thinking maybe they'll slant it so that it's FoxDie that's having that effect.

FOXDIE kills instantly when it takes effect. It has nothing to do with accelerated aging.

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And then there's the concept art put out early...with Big Boss.

Placing Big Boss's corpse in that preliminary concept art was Yoji Shinkawa's decision. It had nothing to do with any story plans on Kojima's part.

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I heard in twin snakes Ocelot mentions in "the phone call" that no one knows where Big Boss' remains really are... damn i gotta play that!

Don't bother. Ocelot says nothing of the sort, and The Twin Snakes is pretty awful anyway.

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Originally Posted by Bolivar

I'm referring to how Liquid said that when Big Boss was cloned he was in his 50's in MGS2. He said that's why he's been aging rapidly, coming from an old source. That's what I meant by "real age." 50 + 40 = 90.

Liquid was wrong, or rather, this was retconned as of MGS3. Big Boss was actually cloned while in his forties.

Thank you captain negativity!
09-26-2007, 12:42 AM
KentaRawr!

He may be captain negativity, but he is right on all points, sans Twin Snakes being awful.

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