Actually, the reason Uematsu left was because SE moved from Meguro to Shinjuku. Why did they move? Because Wada listened to a fortune teller who told him there was better luck in Shinjuku. What an idiot Wada is (assuming the story is true).Quote:
Nojima and Uematsu formed their own companies because they don't want to go to corporate meetings - they want to create.
A Day in the Life of Final Fantasy's Nobuo Uematsu from 1UP.com
A Day in the Life of Final Fantasy's Nobuo Uematsu from 1UP.com
lol, yes, i read that interview, pretty good, right? Actually, if you read his response, you would know that what i said came directly from there - he gave his 2nd reason because as the series became a huge commercial giant, he had to go to company meetings all the time and all he really wanted to do was create music. I put that as a reason as I'm sure it's the same for Nojima, too (i'm not sure what his is, but who knows, maybe it was because of the move).Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivisteiner
I'm not gonna make a statement on Wada's intelligence, because it's a different culture and business culture there. But technically, you could say it worked out because Square has been pushing so many successful games since the move and merger, after it was near such a bad position before the merger. Plus SE has made an amazing number of quality titles over the last year alone, i would have to lie to say it didn't work out. As far as losing Uematsu, there's nothing stopping him from working on titles, Nojima does it all the time.
Toad626, I'm not talking about a remake for PS3, I'm just talking about a remake.
Stating they will never remake FFVII is ridiculous. They already remade 2 FF games(FFIII and FFIV) in updated graphics, but they will not remake the most popular game of the series, because...?
Oh yeah, just because you said so. :rolleyes2
Maybe FF7 will be remade for the next generation of handhelds.
Ive had enough of mainstream games going handheld, If there is EVER a remake, I'll be annoyed if its another hand held bit on the side.
I will respond to each
1. That's why they are going to remake ff7 for the 15th or 20th anniversary of ff7...
2. Many people will buy the game if it is remade, enough to overcome the cost of it
3. The original developers of ff3 have too if I am right, but that was a good game.
4. PS3 is very, very huge in Japan(along with the wii, Xbox is fail) and Japan is a huge place. Also, with PS3 winning the Format war and getting new games(Ratchet and clank anyone?) that are very good. PS3 will make a comeback
5. Of course we wont see it for these
6. They are handheld crazy because the earlier games came out for the nintendo and they just wont do good on a next gen console(too much for too little game)
7. Hello FF12, one of the least loved FF's(after 8)
8. How many games did this sell... oh millions upon millions... thats millions of players
9. Just because other games sell great doesnt mean this will sell bad
When have Square ever shyed away from a bit of easy dosh?
Never say never.
The PS3 has only sold about 1.7 million units in Japan. Compared to the Wii's five million units, as well as the fact that console gaming in Japan could be aptly described as "dead," it's a mistake to say the PS3 is "huge" there.Quote:
Originally Posted by leader of mortals
As for Japan being "huge," I'm not sure what you're saying. If you mean it's a more important market than North America or Europe in terms of console sales, it's not (again--dead). If you mean it's literally huge, it's only about the size of California.
I dont think the moving office would have been serious enough to have prevented them from producing quality titles. I just think it was a mistake. Not a big mistake but a stupid one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolivarlol, yes, i read that interview, pretty good, right? Actually, if you read his response, you would know that what i said came directly from there - he gave his 2nd reason because as the series became a huge commercial giant, he had to go to company meetings all the time and all he really wanted to do was create music. I put that as a reason as I'm sure it's the same for Nojima, too (i'm not sure what his is, but who knows, maybe it was because of the move).Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivisteiner
I'm not gonna make a statement on Wada's intelligence, because it's a different culture and business culture there. But technically, you could say it worked out because Square has been pushing so many successful games since the move and merger, after it was near such a bad position before the merger. Plus SE has made an amazing number of quality titles over the last year alone, i would have to lie to say it didn't work out. As far as losing Uematsu, there's nothing stopping him from working on titles, Nojima does it all the time.
Or rather, I think the reason for moving was stupid. Fortune tellers may be a bit of fun, but in the business world they are pretty much useless.
Notice how Im not criticising the merger at all. I think joining Square and Enix was not only good, it was pretty much essential.
I'm impressed Boliver, someone that actually has some intelligence that I can respect, though I still have a different opinion on a few of your points.
1. It is possible but, example Kitase is how old now? In his 40's so. Following the usual human cycle he'll want to retire at around 60 (Unless he's insane and will want to work longer). That only leaves 20 years left. And a full console AAA remake of 7 would take 5 years (a 1/4 of that). Especially when he has so many projects he'd like to do. I could see maybee as a last project before his retirement but def there's other stuff he'd like to do first in the 20 years he has left. Anyone reading this 20 years is not a long time in the gaming industry anymore. As the new gen games can easily take 5 years to develop now. Nomura is younger so different story with him.
2. Yea we disagree here. Boils down to FF7 took the world by storm once, but I don't believe it could do it again.
3. HE WROTE MOST OF STORY! Are you nuts?lol. Nojima, Kitase, and Nomura then altered it, added here and there and vastly changed it. But still Sakaguchi did much work on the script. Why do you think 7's story got convoluted at times? Too many writers. Yes I believe Uematsu will come back. Easily. He's a composer. And a good one. I am myself a musician (no, not guitar or a crappy garage band, a real one, I read music for instance) And I can easily place him right next to the modern composers of today.
4. It's far from PS3 making a turn around despite what people think. Ratchet helped a lot (as expected since up your arsenal kicked so much ass.) But they've still taken some heavy hits, the biggest being GTA 4 being released the same day for Xbox. That was a blow to Sony. You're right on MGS though. And of course FF. Plus there's what nobody expected. That little Wii. It's 3 to 1 in sales in Japan. And the most wanted console here. Can the Wii be stopped in any part of the world? I don't think so. Then there's Microsoft's far superior online play... All problems for Sony. I got really mad when I found out Ace Combat 6 was heading to Xbox. Cause eventually I plan to get a PS3, but those are the best flight sims. damn........
5. We just disagree here.
6. Hold your tounge my friend. No big block buster hits huh. Have you noticed what system Dragon Question IX is coming too? That is going to be HUGE for the DS. Maybe not so much outside of Japan though. But Dragon Quest is actually more successful inside japan than Final Fantasy is. I read in a game mag once that the Japanese gov't asked SE to release Dragon Quest games on weekends so kids don't skip school to pick up the game. And putting it out on a handheld. That means those kids will be taking their gaming to school with them. Yea Japan's going to soon have serious problems with SE and kids being addicted to their games and not concentrating in class. So don't rule out handheld. Hell I even picked up a DS. A nice little device that I can connect over campus wi-fi. Love mario kart. No I don't think Dragon Quest is better than FF, but the Japanese sure love that series for some reason. I thought Dragon Quest 8 was only ok.
7. We disagree. I don't think they have a place. I think the microsoft ones have taken over. It's a shame, but that's what happens...I don't think it's a fad, wish it was, but it's not. Just like WOW isn't going to slow down. I didn't even like it.
8. I guess it depends on where you live. Different people different tastes. I'm a born and bred production of Cali. So we have a lot of distractions here and gaming isn't as big as places like I don't know... lets go with Kansas.lol. Like me, I kind of want a PS3, but I might say the heck with it and get a new Surf Board.lol. I did just move to Orange County for college. And I need a new board. Of course my circle was introduced to the far superior FF6 and Chrono Trigger first so that could have had some effect as well on 7 (yes we're old). People are different. But I agree with your point of it becomming a classic that the old men will always remember. I can already see the purists that will complain if a new game was made. "Ah the new one sucks, the original was so much better." You know that will happen. You have the purists with everything. I still say FF6 plays far superior on my SNES than the new ports that have been made.
9. Initially yes. But it should have sold much more by now than it has. I can still go to game stop and buy the collectors edition. Ummmm guys shouldn't those be hard to come by now since the game is a year and half old?
Demon dude. SE did not remake 3 and they are not remaking 4. Matrix remade 3 and is remaking 4 and surprise surprise, are using almost the exact same graphic engine. SE published 3 and will Publish 4. But they did not design it. The only development SE has with these is sending over Tanaka to Matrix to make sure they didn't screw it up. And 4 I think they are sending Takita and Asano over for a similar babysitting job.lol.
Finally guys, I'm not saying they won't remake the game. Of course they will. But I am saying they won't make a AAA full blown project that takes a team of over a hundred people. That will not happen. This is the remake I'm talking about that won't happen. The big one. So yes a remake will happen that will be a single A project, but not a AAA PS3 remake taking tons of valuable resources in both money and talent.
That's a myth. In reality, Enix (not Square Enix; they didn't exist back then) decided to begin releasing on weekends of their own accord.Quote:
Originally Posted by toad626
You grossly underestimate the involvement publishers have in games developed by subsidiary companies, especially when it concerns titles in a series that's important to them. In practical terms, it would actually be more accurate to say the DS remakes are co-developed by Matrix and Square Enix.Quote:
SE did not remake 3 and they are not remaking 4. Matrix remade 3 and is remaking 4 and surprise surprise, are using almost the exact same graphic engine. SE published 3 and will Publish 4. But they did not design it. The only development SE has with these is sending over Tanaka to Matrix to make sure they didn't screw it up. And 4 I think they are sending Takita and Asano over for a similar babysitting job.lol.
Likewise. It's refreshing to have a disagreement/discussion with someone who isn't apart of the "anti-bandwagon" bandwagon, trendy revitalists and such. (although your "far superior FFVI" comment makes me think twice :mad2: )Quote:
Originally Posted by toad626
1. I don't think Kitase's age will have anything to do with it. At this point, I'm actually expecting that Nomura or Toriyama (he directed the events) would direct it, anyway, with Kitase executive producer.
2. all the compilation stuff sells well. I would think that the genuine article would do a couple times what those do.
One Problem I see - one of the main reasons VII sold so rediculously well and generated so much hype was how revolutionary it was at the time. People flocked to buy it and come over your house to see it because it was a big event in gaming. Now it wouldn't be so much, but regardless, as I said before, it's obvious as to how many people are foaming at the mouth for it.
3. Sakaguchi is credited for writing the original story, along with Nomura. But as he's also credited as "director" for FFI-IV, when in reality Hiromichi Tanaka and Akitoshi Kawazu directed those games, I wouldn't be surprised if he acknowledgements aren't overly exaggerated here. What I do believe he was behind was the cycle of life theme, due to him stating in interviews it was derived from the death of his mother. But it was Kitase who took that and gave it life with the concept of the lifestream - he was the one who came up with it. However, it's been established that the "fantasy based on reality" theme is all Nomura. And seeing as how the rest of the game after Midgar plays alot like V and VI, with the exception of parts on the planet and such, I'd have to say Kitase & Nojima's adapted script overshadows alot of the original story. Actually the developers have stated that much of the FFVII world is owed to Nojima, and that's why he'll be on every project.
4. GTAIV was supposed to be released on XBox first, but they waited to finish coding the PS3 version for a simulataneous release, so if anything it could've been more disastrous. Yes, there is ratchet & clank, plus MGS and FFXIII, you don't have to look far to find people who explicitly state they're waiting for those games to come out to buy a ps3. Hell, I was gonna wait but I had the money and I figured what the hell.
5. I think it's obvious a ps3 installment of the comilation is inevitable, as each game so far has been used to push a different Sony product. Since ps3's sales thus far have been lacking, it's obvious that they're going to want such a project for it.
6. I said there were no blockbuster hits. Even FFIV, which is an immensely popular game in Japan, only did about a half a million units. DQIX isn't any indication - that's a whole different story than FF, much less FFVII. Yes, DQ sells alot more in Japan. But even with the whole international factor aside, look at what the top 2 games are on Famitsu-readers' all-time 100 greatest games ever made. Final Fantasy X and...Final Fantasy VII. Yes, I have a DS and I'll be getting DQIX probably the day it drops in the states, but FF projects receive alot more attention from the company than Dragon Quest. Thank God we got DQVIII, but if you notice, they outsourced almost all of the actual work to Level 5. As they are for IX, I believe. But look at Final Fantasy XII, and now Final Fantasy XIII, that's ALL in-house development, they even kept Uematsu out of the loop. In any case, it's not going to be on a handheld.
7. When FFXIII comes out, it's going to be obvious that western RPGs have NOT taken over. People are going to go crazy over that game, especially since it's the first on the new hardware, just like for FFX and FFVII (maybe not as crazy). That's why alot of people didn't like FFXII, because it's not like those games.
8. Jersey over here. We do all kinds of stuff at the shore, too, but I think gaming is a generational thing, not a regional. Honestly, I think it's unrealistic to think there aren't tons of people dying for a vii remake, for reasons I said. people are demanding it all over, bring it up in conversations about FF, bring it up in EVERY interview with Kitase and Nomura. People, especially stateside are foaming at the mouth for it.
Also, my circle, we played games like Shining Force, Shadow Run, Phantasy Star. the first time playing SNES FF's I thought they were pretty boring (might as well throw chrono trigger in there, too). Regardless, FFVII took everyone by storm, RPG veterans (and friends of ours who played the original FF's) especially, it wasn't until I got to sites like these that I realized there were people disgruntled by it.
9. It's the tenth best selling game for the PS2. That's pretty damn good, considering how fans reacted against it shortly after buying it, in both the United States and Japan.
The remake that will be coming, in all likelihood, will definately be the big one. I honestly can't see Square Enix treating it the same way they did the remakes for the first 6, because VII is in a whole nother league in gaming history(despite a small minority who will defend to the death that its not). Also, I can't see Kitase/Toriyama/Nomura/Nojima going to make a Nintendo DS/PSP remake of Final Fantasy VII. The whole idea of the thing is hilarious to think about.
It doesnt make a difference who remade it though the important things are that they were remade.
And on your engine argument, they are made on the same engine but so are a lot of games. In fact most games are made on old engines and are very successful take The Ocarina of time and Majora's mask as an example.
A weekend release makes more sense from a marketing standpoint. I think that their theory lies in the fact that more people are available to pick up the game on a Sunday than on a working day. If I recall correctly, the Japanese work week is six days: Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and Saturday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kawaii RyűkishiThat's a myth. In reality, Enix (not Square Enix; they didn't exist back then) decided to begin releasing on weekends of their own accord.Quote:
Originally Posted by toad626
Noted. But that's the whole point I was making, they outsource their remakes so they don't have use up all their talent for their AAA projects. Bad example demon dude. Ocarina good. Major's NO!!!!! I'm sorry, it is not a zelda game without gannon. He's the zelda villian. Majora's screwed that up. Plus it was all child link, who's cries annoyed the hell out of all of us every time he swung a sword. Then there's that little ___________ (fill in four letter word of your own discretion here, you know you hated her) NAVI. Oh how I hated her. Anyway, Yes you are correct many games use the same engine. X-2 did. Almost to the T minus slutty costumes and few new monsters with the occasional new area to explore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demon Dude