haha does it need to be? sometimes its better to say what you think without all the jargon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying Mullet
Your response to my justifications is so articulated. :rolleyes2Quote:
Originally Posted by Vincent Valentine 007
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haha does it need to be? sometimes its better to say what you think without all the jargon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying MulletYour response to my justifications is so articulated. :rolleyes2Quote:
Originally Posted by Vincent Valentine 007
Oh yes, because thats totally the only reason I, or anyone else, doesn't like this game. Thats definitely it. It has nothing to do with the reasons we've given, its because we're arrogant and we can't articulate opinions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolivar
Um. What? Why make this thread if when people give you good sound reasons why they don't like it, your going to answer with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vincent Valentine 007haha does it need to be? sometimes its better to say what you think without all the jargon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying MulletYour response to my justifications is so articulated. :rolleyes2Quote:
Originally Posted by Vincent Valentine 007
The main reason I hated this game was its story was like throw up. I played FFVII all the way through payed attention to the story, and it at least kept in interested. But with FFVIII, I kept telling PuPu, "Do I have to watch this scene?"
Why? Because so many parts of the story where forced on you. I understand if they're trying to make the story show a coming of age of Squall. But why the hell would anyone put him in charge of Mercenary Base during a time of Crisis when he clearly has no leadership abilities (having a complete failure on the only mission he's lead), doesn't show and compassion for his subordinates, and really doesn't have much of a resume.
The love story was equally as forced. At first it was Rinoa trying to talk to him, Squall saying GTFO! STFU! Its not like he even wanted to say something different, as his thoughts where often much of the same. Later on he had these random hiccups of compassion toward her that would fade as soon as they arrived.
FF8 is a brilliant game. :)
It doesn't get enough credit imo.
Yes, actually, it does. And my response was a simple, straight-forward post, whereas your response is vague jargon. I outlined a very specific set of reasons why I didn't like FFVIII, explaining each one. Your response was incoherent and pointless. You ignored what I wrote and invented reasons I never stated to argue against, such as drawing. I said it was tedious and boring, like a chore, which has nothing to do with laziness. You also asked me how I could not like the story when I specifically stated why I didn't like the story in my post. As Boko said, don't bother making discussion threads if you're not going to bother putting effort into an intelligible debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vincent Valentine 007
Okay, Gobo, you seriously need to chill out. I never said that was the only reason; you've convinced me that you didn't read past the second sentence because I gave another one after that, so, WTF are you talking about. And nowhere in my post did I suggest that those were "THE 0NLY 2 REZONS P0$$IBLE!!!@21!!". Furthermore your lack of reading comprehension is astounding, since I listed those as why it was doomed from the start, not why people would have hate for it after they played it.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenbokoOh yes, because thats totally the only reason I, or anyone else, doesn't like this game. Thats definitely it. It has nothing to do with the reasons we've given, its because we're arrogant and we can't articulate opinions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolivar
I know you're a little young, but here's a phrase you obviously need to incorporate into your vocuabulary:
"really valid point and i'm impressed by your thinking. Fallacy". Please. I'm begging you.
And Mullet, cut him some slack, and by saying that he invented reasons you never stated, you are inventing arguments he never made. You said you didn't like triple triad and drawing, he pointed out that you don't have to play TT, and that finding drawing tedious is lazy. I don't see where the problem is. Also, drawing is only as tedious as you make it, as I stated in my post you can play through the game drawing as you go, it obviously doesn't have to be tedious at all, so I tend to agree with him.
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Originally Posted by NeoCracker
Yeah, I see the problems - YOU have misinterpreted it!
The real reason he couldn't shoot was because he knew who Edea really was, "not wanting to miss" was an excuse as he knew he couldn't reveal the truth what - something I understand perfectly.
And yet not once in the entirety of the game is that touched upon.Quote:
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Originally Posted by NeoCracker
Yeah, I see the problems - YOU have misinterpreted it!
The real reason he couldn't shoot was because he knew who Edea really was, "not wanting to miss" was an excuse as he knew he couldn't reveal the truth what - something I understand perfectly.
While that may have been intended, there isn't, at any point in the game, a time when it hints at the possobility.
That my friend is bad writing, expecting a reader/player to peace it together without dropping some sort of hint that his thoughts were of not wanted to shoot her.
No, I won't cut him some slack. He called me lazy when he apparently didn't even read my post, asking a question that I plainly answered beforehand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolivar
As I've stated, I find the entire concept of drawing tedious, no matter how you do it. Whether it's in one "power-leveling" session of a couple of battles, or drawing once per battle, I find having to go through the extra motions of drawing magic tedious. This isn't because I'm lazy, it's because I get bored having to draw magic in addition to carrying out the normal battle functions in combat.
Also, when he twisted my thoughts of drawing as tedious into laziness, he invented an argument for himself. If he didn't invent an argument, he would have discussed why drawing isn't tedious, such as you did, instead of saying I'm lazy.
What's really upsetting me here is that I've given simple reasons why I don't like the game. I didn't say anyone else was wrong for liking it, I understand that others will enjoy it and I'm glad they do. FFVIII has redeeming qualities, just not enough for me to enjoy it. But people can't let it be. They have act as if they are being personally attacked for liking the game and are in turn attacking me for my opinions on the game. If you're going to start a thread asking if a game is overrated, why others like it/don't like it, etc... then don't complain or get defensive when people post their opinions about it.
Wow if you thought I was angry there, I can't imagine the reaction I'd get if I was actually pissed. Would you have been happier if I through a little :rolleyes2 in to show I was only somewhat annoyed. Anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by BolivarOkay, Gobo, you seriously need to chill out. I never said that was the only reason; you've convinced me that you didn't read past the second sentence because I gave another one after that, so, WTF are you talking about. And nowhere in my post did I suggest that those were "THE 0NLY 2 REZONS P0$$IBLE!!!@21!!". Furthermore your lack of reading comprehension is astounding, since I listed those as why it was doomed from the start, not why people would have hate for it after they played it.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenbokoOh yes, because thats totally the only reason I, or anyone else, doesn't like this game. Thats definitely it. It has nothing to do with the reasons we've given, its because we're arrogant and we can't articulate opinions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolivar
First thanks for the jab reading comprehension I hate those tests :p
My remark was direct to the fact that everytime someone who enjoys old FFs makes a single bad remark to a new FF, eventually you say, 'Your just saying that because you liked the old games.' in some way shape or form.
And your comment did imply that fans of older games would have a predetermined verdict on a newer game, thus not actually take time to come up with an opinion without it being incredibly biased.
Story - I felt like I was trudging through mud to the end. I was never shocked nor excited during the plot. This game was the only Final Fantasy in which I didn't want to play the second I got home because I wanted to know what happened next.
GamePlay - Drawing -IS- tedious. There had been plenty of battles where I found myself realizing that I had no potions, then come to find out no cures either. So I try to draw a cure to save my party and it fails and the monster does an all character attack and I'm dead. I also feel that draws are a waste of a turn, it doesn't mean they -are- but I found myself using -alot- less magic in this game just because of the draw system.
Junctioning was okay I guess, I never really used it enough to get anything good out of it.
Personally, I feel that FFVIII had so many added things that it was too much, now if FFVIII were like an MMO setting and you weren't bound to a story line -that much- I feel that all the extra's would have been easier to deal with.
FFVIII to me just seems like your following the character instead of actually gaining the feel of the character. The character's themselves where pretty bland, so nearly anything they could do or say could easily be predicted by someone playing the game for the first time.
The graphics were nice though, although I believe when it comes to rating games graphics come last over story and gameplay and all others.
Either way, I play FFVIII when I get bored and -really- have nothing better to do. Usually if I do do a replay I'm not motivated enough to start playing again, which.. yeah leads to no more playing.
I think the only credit it should be given is it's graphics for it's time, but that's about it.
Also, since there's hostility I'd like to state.
I've played the game enough, I've tried to like it, I've formed my opinion since the game came out, if no one likes my opinion good for you, that's why it's an opinion, nothing anyone can say can change my veiws that have been formed over many years so trying to make me "see the light" will be in vain.
I think there's a fair fans-to-haters ratio :p
The problem is is that some of the "haters" are merely people who arn't fans but they also don't hate the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jessweeee♪
I rather enjoyed the game but note that when i first played, it was one of the first rpg games i played (the first being pokemon) and so my expectations for it was "this should be just like pokemon! yay!" So in this way my underdeveloped gaming mind thouroughly enjoyed it, and i guess that sort of just grew with me.
I think the game doesnt recieve too little credit or too much. It's a good game that alot of people like. It deserves that credit.
FFVIII has unique and pretty locations; I think they're overlooked. :onnanoko:
Mullet, I understand where you're coming from, and it's good to know that there's still people on this site who can accept the fact that other people might have a different opinion than they do. In every thread you're always a voice of reason and common sense.
And Gobo, I didn't think you were mad, but that sarcasm... was that really necessary? If you misinterpreted me, my bad man. And nothing I've ever said suggests that people who have played earlier games have a predetermined opinion. Everyone I know in real life who started with earlier FF's has a Playstation FF as their favorite, it's just a few angry cynics on the internet that you I across, and that's why I used the term "prissy little SNES warriors." BUT! That's not to say that everyone who prefers older games are delusional idiots. I love all the older FF's, I started RPGs in the "old school" and I know plenty of others who played through those games after starting with VII. I just happen to like some of the "newer" games better than some of the "older" games, if it's even appropriate to break them apart like that.
But! On other fronts, I must say again, that drawing is only as tedious as you make it. Here's one problem with that - YOU DONT HAVE TO DRAW AT ALL IN THE GAME!!! You can secure the refining abilities fairly quickly, and M-Stone pieces/Magic stones/Wizard Stones are all common drops.