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It's true there's nothing to like about Batman himself in Batman Returns because Batman got his ass kicked by a woman in that movie...and not just any woman Batman got his ass kicked by a nerdy secretary who couldn't even handle a fatass clown 24 hours earlier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Avarice-ness
Let's see how you do against Catwoman.
The cartoon is better than the comics, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Avarice-ness
Catwoman isn't THAT tough she isn't Wonder Woman Roto...and like I said before "Catwoman" was a nerdy secretary who couldn't even defend herself against a fat clown but after she fell seven stories and got bitten a group of alley cats she's suddenly able to take on Batman.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roto13
Those cats must have been radioactive because Selina had gone from being a helpless secretary to being a badass arsonist in less than 24 hours.
Catwoman isn't Wonder Woman and Batman isn't Superman. She could have kicked ass as a secretary, too, if she wasn't so meek. Her badassness is caused by her repressed rage. A lot like Batman himself.
Batman: The Animated Series was a very good cartoon, but it wasn't Dark Knight Returns good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kawaii RyűkishiThe cartoon is better than the comics, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Avarice-ness
I'm pretty sure the episode with the robot batman with red eyes gave me nightmares. The one with the labyrinth also.
The quality of The Dark Knight Returns is very much an exception among comics, and it's still only good as an ending to Batman's adventures. The animated series is the best-ever telling of the adventures themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by AzarBatman: The Animated Series was a very good cartoon, but it wasn't Dark Knight Returns good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kawaii Ryűkishi
Batman the Animated series was a groundbreaking production. It was totally unlike anything that had come before it. Other Superhero shows at the time, like Spider-Man and X-men, all seemed to be satisfied with keeping a certain childlike cheese factor to their shows, The animated series often felt more like a real, primetime, production. It had a score that emulated the symphonic themes from the movies, the animation was brilliant and a radical departure from anything done before and done since, and the storytelling often drifted from mature, dark, and dramatic to cheesy, settling more on the dark and dramatic themes as the series went forward.
Personally, as awesome as I think Justice League Unlimited is, and is the OVERALL better series, It's just not as daring or bold as Batman: TAS. There were so many standout moments and characters, like the introductions of Mr. Freeze and Two Face, that it's hard not to love it and view it as a classic. Batman: TAS set the standard, and following superhero series just tried to measure up to it.
Yeah but Batman had seven years of training although they don't show the training in the Burton films. Catwoman on the other hand had absolutely no training whatsoever and yet she's able to kick Batman's ass like nobody's business. That's why Batman Returns sucks it doesn't make any sense if you look at it too closely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roto13
Tim Burton went too far in the fantastical direction, he didn't care about the story. He didn't care about being logical he just wanted Gotham City to look like another world. And he wanted to put his own kooky spin on Batman's Rogues Gallery...and he wanted to keep Batman in the dark as far as character development goes.
By the way I know Batman isn't Superman Roto I'm just saying Catwoman isn't that tough because if Catwoman could get her ass kick by Elektra than she shouldn't be that strong. And what the hell is wrong with you anyway? I just said I was unimpressed by Batman: The Movie (1966) and you said Adam West could kick my ass. Are you that immature?
Adam West COULD kick your ass with his awesome grooviness powers.
Catwoman didn't need training. She was insane. In her mind, she could do all kinds of crazy acrobatics, so she did. It's a superhero movie. It's not supposed to be realistic.
You're the one making like 8 Batman fangasm threads a week.Quote:
Are you that immature?
So true, so true. Catwoman is such a badass, even more so that Batman in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roto13
Anyway, topic: I used to watch the cartoons back in the day as well, but they didn't amaze me. Sure, they were kinda neat and stuff I guess, but the Burton films (especially Batman Returns) are definitely the best Batman films to date. The cartoon series pale in comparison with those two films.
I believe that we have Tiny Toons, of all things, to blame for Batman:TAS and its success. You see, after TT became ridiculously popular WB felt it was okay to take a risk with B:TAS, and as we all know B:TAS was widely popular. In fact wikipedia has cited claims that B:TAS was the bestest portrayal of Batman (lol @ you, Adam West)
Christian Bale would knock that smurfing Indiana Jones hat off of your damn head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roto13
So what if Batman Returns was a "superhero movie?" If you're gonna make a live-action "superhero" film and you might as well make it as realistic as possible. Because what's the point of doing a live-action film with theatrical actors if you're gonna do a lot of silly unrealistic :skull::skull::skull::skull:? If you're gonna do silly unrealistic :skull::skull::skull::skull: in a live-action film you might as well do an animated film instead. Because you're supposed to do silly unrealistic :skull::skull::skull::skull: in an animated movie.
And I don't make eight Batman threads a day you dumbass this is the first time I've done a Batman thread in a while you idiot.
Uh... to make a fun summer blockbuster? Like every other super hero movie in the world? If they wanted it to be realistic, they might want to... not make a super hero movie to begin with. Why do you think live-action movies are supposed to be realistic and animated ones are supposed to be unrealistic? Who ever said that?Quote:
So what if Batman Returns was a "superhero movie?" If you're gonna make a live-action "superhero" film and you might as well make it as realistic as possible. Because what's the point of doing a live-action film with theatrical actors if you're gonna do a lot of silly unrealistic skullz?
I hereby challenge Christian Bale to fisticuffs at dawn! Hoo hah!