Nobody has defended the Star Wars prequels or Superman Returns yet so I guess I won the agrument with those films.
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Nobody has defended the Star Wars prequels or Superman Returns yet so I guess I won the agrument with those films.
Superman Returns sucked but I don't see how you can say the Star Wars prequels had paper thin plots. Poor acting and over reliance on CG, sure, but the plot threads between all three films were pretty good with sufficient depth, considering the scope of the Star Wars universe.Quote:
Originally Posted by John_912
The plots were paper thin because they weren't very epic, the original trilogy was more epic than the prequel trilogy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hsu
Also I consider the plots in Tim Burton's Batman to be really paper thin because those films are showing their age there's not a lot going on in Batman 89 like there was in TDK.
The creation of the Clone Army, destruction of the Jedi Order, and usurping of power in the Republic by Palpatine isn't epic?
Poor acting and direction may have made the movies seem lame but I don't understand how you can feel the story wasn't epic.
Basically.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big D
Althought "Wanted!"'s story just killed the movie for me xD
Well, first of all I hope that you don't mean that a film has a paper-thin plot if one of its subplots doesn't get enough development. Spider-Man's plot is more complex than just the Peter & MJ drama (which was also nice in the way it was shown in the film, particularly the touching finale). After all, you have Peter's character development in quite many ways (with all the tragic circumstances as well as finding out what it takes to be a hero), and you have Norman Osborn's stuff, Harry, and various other things going on. Sure, Spider-Man isn't the most complex film out there, but I don't think that it has a paper-thin plot.Quote:
Originally Posted by John_912
Well, the Star Wars prequels aren't thin on plot. There's quite a bit going on in the films even if it's sometimes presented in a jumbled way. Even if the plot could've worked out better on screen, it still has quite a few things going on in it. After all, Anakin's character arc (as well as his relationships with various people), Palpatine's gradual rise to power and the Sith manipulation of events as well as the conflict itself are just some of the many plots that take place in the prequels.Quote:
Originally Posted by John_912
As for Superman Returns, although its plot isn't the most complex one out there, it does offer many character arcs in it, and I like how Superman gets some development and how the plot does offer subtle nuances that make it richer. There are quite a few things going on in the film, although the most important thing is obviously the issues between Lois Lane and Superman as well as the "savior" parallels.
Similarly Tim Burton's Batman films aren't really paper-thin as far as plot is concerned. Sure, some of the things they present might be straightforward, but there's so much going on in both films (particularly in Batman Returns) that I can't really see the plots being paper-thin. Others have already pointed out some things that show that Burton's films aren't "thin" at least as far as plot is concerned.
I'm not really a big fan of any of the six Star Wars movies but Ill agree with Hsu that what made the prequels extra bad was the dull dialogue. You really couldn't care about any of the characters when they were given such lifeless personalities.
Because there's no epic scenes with the three primary characters. (Anakin, Obi-Wan and Padme.) The special effect scenes were great but they didn't have any memorable dialogue and they reused dialogue from the original trilogy instead of creating new dialogue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hsu
That's my problem with the prequel trilogy the dialogue...the bad acting can be over looked if the script is well written.
Depends on the movie :p
It depends on my mood, sometimes if I just want to sit back and relax, a simple movie with virtually little plot can be enough for me. Heck, I watched Charlies Angels about three times this week, for that reason. xD
I didn't say I like movies because of thin plots, nor did I say I like all thin movie plots by default. All I'm saying is that it's possible for a movie to have a story that lacks complexity, while still being a good film. They're not mutually exclusive, that's all.Quote:
Originally Posted by John_912So I take it you didn't have a problem with Spider-Man 1? Because that film kind of had a paper thin plot. Peter and MJ's relationship wasn't very deep and meaningful in my opinion I think it was about as deep and meaningful as Bruce and Vicki's relationship in the 1989 Batman film...which wasn't very deep and meaningful at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big D
The only thing Burton ever did right was The Nightmare Before Christmas.
And even that ended up being ruined by the emogoth circle of cancer.
And oddly, he didn't even direct that one - the characters and ideas were his, but not the movie itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMKA
We have Disney to thank for that ;)
That's not an argument it's a statement, and it's wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by John_912