Democratic National Convention 2008

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Originally Posted by Remulak

If someone can provide a youtube link or a video post of Hilary Clinton's speech, I've been looking for it but I can't find it..

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BBC NEWS | World | Americas | Clinton in unity call to delegates

Thought it was rather sad about how they placed the delegates. Namely placing Delaware's right at the front whilst moving New York's further back in the company of Montana, New Hampshire and North Dakota (I think). I mean, I know it doesn't make much difference, I just thought it was slightly petty.

I've only really seen clips thus far and it's been relatively interesting. Not really a fan of conventions myself because I just find them to be several days of just spreading broadly the same message and being a bit dull. A bit like British party conferences only moreso because they always seem to try to be more spectacular and have a lot more razzmatazz to them.

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Originally Posted by Heath

Thought it was rather sad about how they placed the delegates. Namely placing Delaware's right at the front whilst moving New York's further back in the company of Montana, New Hampshire and North Dakota (I think). I mean, I know it doesn't make much difference, I just thought it was slightly petty.

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Uhh... Delaware begins with a D, which precedes the letters M and N in the alphabet. :greenie:

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Originally Posted by Yaridovich

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Originally Posted by Heath

Thought it was rather sad about how they placed the delegates. Namely placing Delaware's right at the front whilst moving New York's further back in the company of Montana, New Hampshire and North Dakota (I think). I mean, I know it doesn't make much difference, I just thought it was slightly petty.

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Uhh... Delaware begins with a D, which precedes the letters M and N in the alphabet. :greenie:

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Well, Newsnight suggested that it was a rather last minute move prompted by the selection of Biden as the vice presidential nominee and nothing to do with alphabetical order. I may have the states wrong anyway. Either way, that's what I was going on.

There are an overwhelming amount of reasons why Delaware would sit up front including candidate, alphabetical order, admission to the union, etc. (Illinois is sitting up front too). New York is sitting with Montana and such because that's where it's placed in the alphabet.

My point was really that it's rather odd for a rather important electoral state like New York (and coincidentally the state Clinton represented in the Senate) to be in the company of the likes of Montana and North Dakota whereas Delaware a less populous, less influential and arguably less significant state to have been moved to the front. I was sad enough to just check the wording on Newsnight and they specifically said 'moved' and so I find it slightly improbable that at the last minute they decided to change the seating plan based on alphabetical order or admission to the union and not because of Biden.

I realise I'm probably being equally petty, but I just thought it was worth mentioning.

The speech that Bill Clinton just gave has been my favorite to this point. It's the first one to really attack McCain for what he is, and attack the Republicans, because it's very easy for him to compare this sham and joke of an administration to the eight years that preceded it.

And it had, I think, the best line of the campaign so far, and the main reason we must keep McCain out of the White House: "The world will always be more impressed with the power of our example than by the example of our power."

It's nice to see my party finally attacking McCain. I think they might have wanted to unify first before going on the offense. But it's about time they do something other than sit back and allow the Republican Party attack them without fighting back.

Clinton and Kerry were both great today. The Democrats have such great orators on their side. I'm not as familiar with the Republican side of things so I don't know, but do they have people to match what the Democrats have done?

I know for sure Cindy McCain ain't got nothin' on Michelle Obama.

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Originally Posted by Kirobaito

Hillary didn't have a speech yesterday, I didn't think. She speaks tonight.
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She had a small one that day. I liked Hillary's speech too, but all around it was kindof boring that day. There were a lot of great speeches last night. Bill Clinton spoke well so did Kerry, and Joe Biden. That asian woman who was in the air force spoke passionelty as well. I was kind of unsure at first, but now I believe that obama picked the right candidate for his VP. He surprise appearance last night was also good.

I've been watching it more and more. Hillary's speech was unbelievable . . . She's awesome. And then Bill's? Perfect. I like how he made the analogy between himself being "too young" and Obama.

I was REALLY shocked at how good John Kerry's was though. I wish he'd had that fire four years ago. Maybe we would have had a much more pleasant past four years. :/

I already like Obama more than Kennedy, at least he didnt publicly announce he was a doughnut in front of all those people in Berlin.... lol.
To clarify:
"Ich bin Berliner" means "I am a Berliner"
"Ich bin ein Berliner" means "I am a donut"
Kinda.

Doughnuts in germany are called Berliner because that doughnut variation stems from there.

Im exaggerating. "Ich bin ein Berliner" is acceptable, its like saying "I am one with the Berlin citizens." There are obviously subtleties heh.

I dont really know much about the current elections though.

Why should it interest me you say? Because im not American? Well, lets face it, American elections concern the whole world for good and for bad.

Obama just burned Bush pretty bad.

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He's burning McCain pretty badly, too. He got that "eight is enough" chant started pretty quickly.

Quickest way to get cheers is blame Bush.

EDIT: He just called McCain ignorant, too.

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Originally Posted by Tavrobel

He's burning McCain pretty badly, too. He got that "eight is enough" chant started pretty quickly.

Quickest way to get cheers is blame Bush.

EDIT: He just called McCain ignorant, too.

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Unfortunately, for the 10% of us who aren't sheep, this method doesn't make you sound too promising.

Not that I'm disagreeing with him. :tongue:

Hux and I are watching this right now, and as soon as we heard the Bush zinger:

"Oh SNAP!!! =O"