There is no real similarity between Alexander's headdress and Edea's skullcap aside from the existence of visors which look nothing alike.
Yet again, you base a theory on nothing, overthink that nothing, then insist it must be so.
There is no real similarity between Alexander's headdress and Edea's skullcap aside from the existence of visors which look nothing alike.
Yet again, you base a theory on nothing, overthink that nothing, then insist it must be so.
Of course she did. She was possessing her.Quote:
Ultimecia made Edea look that way (the helmet) and her clothes. There's evidence to support this within the game
She looks exactly the same to me when she joined your party and was at the lighthouse with Cid.Quote:
when Edea got rid of Ultimecia, she no longer holds the Helmet; she's back to Matron herself (long black hair and freer clothes).
she possessed Rinoa and yet her appearance didn't changeQuote:
Originally Posted by Depression Moon
A part of Ultimecia is still inside her at that point. Edea was just containing her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Depression Moon
If you look hard, you will sense some similarity.Quote:
There is no real similarity between Alexander's headdress and Edea's skullcap aside from the existence of visors which look nothing alike.
So, the developers have created thier own stuff in VIII without any influence from real life... I don't think that is possible. If it's true, then they are like winning the mega lottery... because a lot of things in VIII actually resemble a lot of things in real lifeQuote:
Yet again, you base a theory on nothing, overthink that nothing, then insist it must be so.
She wasn't in Rinoa for an extended period of time like with Edea. I believe it was only a few hours or maybe less. Edea it was probably a month or more. In that time she could buy all the clothes and gear she wanted for her appearance in that time period, how was she going to find evil wardrobe in space?Quote:
she possessed Rinoa and yet her appearance didn't change
You didn't read the lighthouse part did you?Quote:
A part of Ultimecia is still inside her at that point. Edea was just containing her.
I saw no changing room for possessed Rinoa to just waltz over to.Quote:
she possessed Rinoa and yet her appearance didn't change
Or Edea just didn't change clothes yet.Quote:
A part of Ultimecia is still inside her at that point. Edea was just containing her.
Why would we care? If I liked FFVIII I wouldn't be paying attention like that to care, and this is the most I've ever posting in an FFVIII forum I think, because I'm not a big fan of this one.Quote:
If you look hard, you will sense some similarity.
Look it's obvious all video games have influences that they reference, that is completely irrelevant to whatever theory you're pushing, unless you can somehow connect Rinoa with the price of tea in China and connect it to Ultimecia and at this point your doesn't prove anything.Quote:
So, the developers have created thier own stuff in VIII without any influence from real life... I don't think that is possible. If it's true, then they are like winning the mega lottery... because a lot of things in VIII actually resemble a lot of things in real life
She can manifest looks, you can see her head evolving in the opening scene. No need to buy clothes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Depression Moon
There are 3 reasons why Rinoa wasn't re-adjusted: 1) Square didn't have enough time to create a new look. 2) She's Ultimecia. 3) Rinoa is stronger than Matron, hence she can resist some force of Ultimecia; note her moonwalking side-effect...
After playing this game for years and you're asking me this question? How insulting!Quote:
Originally Posted by [QUOTE=Depression Moon
Anyway, like I said before. It wouldn't make sense if Edea instantly changes her appearance right back to Matron right after her defeat... that will cause more problems! But she did change back to Matron later in the game eventually
Or once again, no time or place to change into the clothes.Quote:
Originally Posted by SerapyThere are 3 reasons why Rinoa wasn't re-adjusted: 1) Square didn't have enough time to create a new look. 2) She's Ultimecia. 3) Rinoa is stronger than Matron, hence she can resist some force of Ultimecia; note her moonwalking side-effect...Quote:
Originally Posted by Depression Moon
Rinoa was possessed for ten minutes. Edea for at least a month, probably several years. She had time to buy a warddrobe and flex her fashion muscles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serapy
PROVE IT. Edea was devoid of her powers by this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Depression Moon
The visors are pointy. THAT'S IT.Quote:
If you look hard, you will sense some similarity.
You are not really valid point and i'm impressed by your thinking.ning what I said, you disingenuous git. I said EDEA'S HEADDRESS does not resemble ALEXANDER'S HELMET. I said NOTHING in such grand sweeping terms.Quote:
So, the developers have created thier own stuff in VIII without any influence from real life... I don't think that is possible. If it's true, then they are like winning the mega lottery... because a lot of things in VIII actually resemble a lot of things in real life
Or maybe it's something you need time and concentration and not a smurfed up possession to do. Or it's something the headdress does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serapy
Or Ulti can't change the appearance of her possessees at will.Quote:
There are 3 reasons why Rinoa wasn't re-adjusted: 1) Square didn't have enough time to create a new look.
No. Just no.Quote:
2) She's Ultimecia.
And Ultimecia can't change the appearance of her possessees at will.
Or Ultimecia can't can't change the appearance of her possessees at will.Quote:
3) Rinoa is stronger than Matron, hence she can resist some force of Ultimecia; note her moonwalking side-effect...
How?Quote:
After playing this game for years and you're asking me this question? How insulting!
Anyway, like I said before. It wouldn't make sense if Edea instantly changes her appearance right back to Matron right after her defeat... that will cause more problems!
Yes, and how does this prove she was being changed by Ulti?Quote:
But she did change back to Matron later in the game eventually
You can apply this explanation as to why Edea doesn't revert back to her normal look instantly, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyushikazeRinoa was possessed for ten minutes. Edea for at least a month, probably several years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serapy
It's one of the explanations as to why this is the case. Matron doesn't change back to normal instantly after the defeat could be due to the side-effect... it's like the withdrawal process of not using drugs for a certain amount of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
I'd agree with you if VIII didn't include anything that's from real life things - arts, paintings and histories.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Ultimecia's castle and Artemisia's castle look quite identical to each other, not to mention thier reasonings...
I'm a disingenuous git now? That's pretty new to me! Thank you, and if you don't mind, I'll add it to my 'lol getting names' vocabulary!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
My response was directed at one of your post, quote:
Why do I have to find evidence that this VIII model looks the same as a model in real life? That's impossible! So, if they look exactly the same, do you apply common sense to this? That they are in fact the same...?Quote:
Yet again, you base a theory on nothing, overthink that nothing, then insist it must be so.
Note- When Ultimecia leaves Edea in this time period, you can assume that she's no longer connected with her at the moment. Yet she still has the same appearance.
Or she doesn't change clothes. Aside from the scarring to her face, which was corruption by the sorceress power, and which may or may not have reverted instantly, everything else is her clothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serapy
In other words, YOU MADE IT UP.Quote:
It's one of the explanations as to why this is the case. Matron doesn't change back to normal instantly after the defeat could be due to the side-effect... it's like the withdrawal process of not using drugs for a certain amount of time.
Such arts as? I'm seeing claims here, but not seeing you backing them up with proof. The world of FFVIII is not ours. Similar items to ours do not make it share our history any more than the Texas sign in FF7 means it's our world.Quote:
I'd agree with you if VIII didn't include anything that's from real life things - arts, paintings and histories.
Ultimecia's castle and Artemisia's castle look quite identical to each other, not to mention thier reasonings...
No, bridgedweller, you are being disingenuous. This isn't name calling. I'm telling you what you're doing is really valid point and i'm impressed by your thinking.ning, an inherently dishonest act.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
You have to find evidence because that is your claim and the model does not look the same as the helm you claim it looks like. You see a similiarity where none exists.Quote:
Why do I have to find evidence that this VIII model looks the same as a model in real life? That's impossible! So, if they look exactly the same, do you apply common sense to this? That they are in fact the same...?Quote:
Yet again, you base a theory on nothing, overthink that nothing, then insist it must be so.
Which only supports your idea if your idea is already assumed true. Circular reasoning at its best.Quote:
Note- When Ultimecia leaves Edea in this time period, you can assume that she's no longer connected with her at the moment. Yet she still has the same appearance.
We don't have magic in reality, but we can have clothes.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyushikazeOr she doesn't change clothes. Aside from the scarring to her face, which was corruption by the sorceress power, and which may or may not have reverted instantly, everything else is her clothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serapy
If VIII has magic that can create anything, it wouldn't make sense if they use clothes for thier appearances.
No, I was trying to use an analogy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
It's silly and wrong to claim proof that two identical arts are just... that identical to each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
VIII is not something that's 100% fool proof. Claiming proof on something other than dialogues is ridiculous.
Git is a 'noun' and provides the meaning of 'a person, especially a man, who is stupid or unpleasant'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Disingenuous is an adjective, and can be used with any noun. Hence, you called me a disingenuous git. That's name calling, or a personal attack.
You've called me strange names - such words that don't exist on the dictionary. The answer is obvious, isn't it?
I'm not claiming anything, my friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
I'm not going into a circle and repeat that something must be true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Yes. Yes it would make perfect sense to use clothing instead of constantly wasting their energy like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serapy
Instead of answering my direct request to prove it, you offered an analogy. You did not offer proof. Again, I say, you made it up. Analogies do not substantiate extraordinary claims.Quote:
No, I was trying to use an analogy.
Identical art? I'm seeing more claiming and still no proving, Serapy...Quote:
It's silly and wrong to claim proof that two identical arts are just... that identical to each other.
VIII is not something that's 100% fool proof. Claiming proof on something other than dialogues is ridiculous.
No, it was a summation of you acting disingenuous by really valid point and i'm impressed by your thinking.ning, and of your unpleasant attitude.Quote:
Git is a 'noun' and provides the meaning of 'a person, especially a man, who is stupid or unpleasant'.
Disingenuous is an adjective, and can be used with any noun. Hence, you called me a disingenuous git. That's name calling, or a personal attack.
That I find your arguments specious, your attitude infuriating and insane, and your demeanor unpleasant, and I make no bones about hiding any of this?Quote:
You've called me strange names - such words that don't exist on the dictionary. The answer is obvious, isn't it?
Either you're lying, in which case, my calling you disingenuous is fully warranted, or you aren't you have absolutely no idea what you're doing.Quote:
I'm not claiming anything, my friend.
Circular reasoning, dweller, is arguing using a conclusion in support of itself. In this instance, arguing that Edea's appearance changing gradually instead of suddenly is only evidence of your claim that Ultimecia's power changed Edea and that there is still a piece of Ultimecia inside Edea if you assume those things to be true. Otherwise, there are far simpler, far more parsimonious explanations for Edea's appearance which do not require magic cosmetics and using magic instead of clothes.Quote:
I'm not going into a circle and repeat that something must be true.
Ultimecia's used a huge amount of energy travelling through time. So, I don't see why not.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyushikazeYes. Yes it would make perfect sense to use clothing instead of constantly wasting their energy like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serapy
I never once said or claimed that they are absolutely the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
You have used common sense to claim something in VIII (Cid loving Edea), so why not apply the same sense to the art works? Use your eyes, my friend. Even then, you have claimed that they don't alike. It's still illogical to ask for proof that they are actually alike.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
I beg to differ. Your attitude is a bit worse, me thinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Honestly, if you knew what would happen after accusing me being a troll, why feel the need to keep arguing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
I think there's a conspiracy to all of this. When Squall of Seed, Sir B and TOK started appearing out of no where, you came on.
I have no idea what am I doing. Please elaborate?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
I think Rinoa broke that circle... since her appearance didn't change when she was captive of Ultimecia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Even if she did, which we don't know, she did so for a purpose. Not to look pretty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serapy
Which is immaterial. You still need to prove it.Quote:
I never once said or claimed that they are absolutely the same thing.
Considering you haven't said what FFVIII art and what real world art you're talking about, it's illogical for you to ask me to compare them for myself. Unless it's the pictures in this thread, which aren't identical IN THE SLIGHTEST.Quote:
You have used common sense to claim something in VIII (Cid loving Edea), so why not apply the same sense to the art works? Use your eyes, my friend. Even then, you have claimed that they don't alike. It's still illogical to ask for proof that they are actually alike.
I'm at least intellectually honest, chewtoy.Quote:
I beg to differ. Your attitude is a bit worse, me thinks.
And again, you see patterns where none exist.Quote:
Honestly, if you knew what would happen after accusing me being a troll, why feel the need to keep arguing?
I think there's a conspiracy to all of this. When Squall of Seed, Sir B and TOK started appearing out of no where, you came on.
You are claiming things. That is the very heart of what you're doing.Quote:
I have no idea what am I doing. Please elaborate?
You still do not understand what is meant by circular, here. Or simply refuse to acknowledge.Quote:
I think Rinoa broke that circle... since her appearance didn't change when she was captive of Ultimecia.
Another example - her taking a gigantic thing out of Squall's mind. That must have taken her a lot of energy to waste.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyushikazeEven if she did, which we don't know, she did so for a purpose. Not to look pretty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serapy
I've shown two arts and then voiced my opinion, and that's about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
You knew that it's impossible to prove this - and when you asked me to prove it, all I could sugguested was for you to compare between them. If they don't look alike to you, fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
So am I.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Stop denying it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
So, if I put a 'K' character here. I claim the 'K' character?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Ultimecia gives her own power to Edea at the beginning. At that point, she had black clothes and long hair. And when she was given this power, she looks still the same. This proves that her appearance doesn't change instantly after being given a power and further proves that her appearance doesn't change while being not possessed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Years later, we see Edea again at Deling. This time, she was possessed by Ultimecia and her appearance is different. In one of the FMVs, her head was seen evolving.
Squall and his party can change thier appearances by wearing different clothes. Not through regular magic.
Since Ultimecia is in control of Edea's mind, she can do whatever she wants. Were her golden shapes behind her back made of human material? Or were they come from sorceress magic? Apart from her head that we saw from the FMV.
Are the faces of Matron and Edea a bit different?
Then when Edea got rid of Ultimecia after her defeat. Her appearance is still there. I'm assuming that she still can do the head thing (her helmet is still there after her defeat.) At the ending, she's now got her old appearance back. I'm guessing she removed them by herself. Threw them in bin can or something. I guess this proves that her appearance is made of human material, since they didn't disappear. If Ultimecia got rid of, her blood-magic-made-of-clothes should disappear too.
Conclusion: Since I don't know when exactly did Ultimecia change Edea's appearance, but I can assume that she changed it when she was first possessed. When she was possessed, nobody's done something about it. This means that she had better freedom, she can do anything without someone interfering her. She can buy clothes or whatever.
Ultimecia knowing that she can possess two persons (Rinoa and Edea.) She prefers Edea. She used Rinoa to do dirty jobs, such as freeing Adel, and that's it. If Rinoa is a slave to Ultimecia and Ultimecia knowing that the public believes the new Edea, why should she change Rinoa's appearance? I don't think there's any other purpose why would Ultimecia possess Rinoa.
All of this shows that if Rinoa was possessed by a different person after the game, her appearance can be changed if she wants to.
If Edea and Matron's faces looked different. Then Rinoa and X faces MAY look different.