When it comes to gender arguments on EoFF, there are two types of men. You'll have the "har har misogyny!" crowd, which work together to hi-five each other and feel superior to people. Then you have the "Women are great! What would we do without them?! You guys are SEXIST!" suck ups who just want to worm their way into the women's pants (hint: it won't work)
I just wait to see how the thread pans out and then I make fun of the side which is the most annoying. :shobon:
You forgot type 3, Psy. The ones who point out the other types in an attempt to look clever and score some irony-loving pussy. ;)
Women don't understand irony so the point is irrelevant.
oops guess I'm type 1 now
*HI FIVE!*
What happens if I say that women are great and better than men because they have nicer tits?
My husband is going to cook me delicious food :3
I don't think either men or women are worth the trouble. Goats are natural. I go for goats.
Sexual Dimorphism is really interesting. Depending on the gender at birth, a young Nidoran will have a different evolution, which in turn leads to different stats and movesets. :p
the post was typed with the assumption that everyone would assume the former, but you can go ahead and type a post assuming the latter!Quote:
Originally Posted by The Summoner of Leviathan
Psh, yeah right. If someone told me to make them a sammich I'd tell them where the bread was so they can make it themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by ~*~Celes~*~
Then we'd know you're a liar cos you've blatently got the nicest tits in the land.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quin
You're getting into the whole nature vs nurture thing. While we do construct something other things come naturally. The Nature v. nurture thing is still a hot topic so saying "It's because of this exactly nurture wise" isn't fact because half of the sociological/psychological community will say you're wrong :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Zeldy
Biologically we have hormones that drive us to want to do more motherly things. :p
Take my neice for example. My sister and her husband didn't want to know what they were having so they bought up all the green and yellow things. So everything was the neutral colors. When they had her "Oh it's a girl!" She had this most of her infancy. As she grew she naturally liked flowers and what not. She would pick the flowers and bring them to us. So you have the nature thing about liking flowers.
Just the whole nature v. nurture thing gets tiring xP While we are drawn to do things that is more of our nature, the way we were raised makes a lot of our personality. It's not which gender is more nature oriented, it's which person.
The fact that you use "toughest feminist CEO career-bitch" reinforces the idea that women who do "men" role will somehow be a bitch, but a man doing the same thing is simply accepted if not applauded.Quote:
Originally Posted by kotorabecause it's hardwired into your genes and that of most female mammals, but I guess that's just a "social construct" as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZeldyOoooh a sociological debate! My favourite. :excited:
The idea of women having a "Motherly" instinct is completely socially constructed; the way boys and girls are socialized (ie. blue for boy, pink for girl, soldier for boy, play kitchen for girl etc etc) is what leads to these stereotypes of "women should be in the kitchen" etc. So we don't do ourselves any favours and then we wonder why it's OUR job to cook the meal when, ironically, most of the top chefs are men.
I don't know if that's at all relevant, but I feel clever.
This is completely (and stereotypically) socially constructed. Biologically, there is no "female instinct" or "desire to nurture". There's no reason why a woman can't be the breadwinner - why must the woman always take the expressive role?Quote:
Originally Posted by ~*~Celes~*~
even the toughest feminist CEO career-bitch will become a soft caring mommy when she gets a baby. Well most of them at least. Some just never care, in which case it just means they suck forever.
It is nearly impossible to say for 100% that something is natural because we don't know what our "natural" state is. We can look at different animal species, some of them more similar to us genetically but it cannot give us a firm grasp of what the human "natural" state is. In fact, from various cultural perspective an unsocialized human is not a human at all, or is somehow less than human. Humanity and human being-ness only arise from being in contact with other humans.
Are you saying it is natural that a girl will pick flowers, or you saying that the flower picking activity just depends on the person (regardless of gender)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Freya
Regardless, it does not change the fact that in a Pavlovian manner gender-roles are enforced. If a biologically male child plays with Barbies, it will be frowned upon. He will be told that he should be playing with other, more "manly" things. Furthermore, the behaviour is reinforced by his male peers who were also taught the same thing thus he becomes subject to teasing for doing an activity associated with "girls" and femininity. Conversely, if a girl plays with trucks and cars, she will be told that maybe she should play with dolls or something similar. Let's not even start about intersexed children and what happen to them. The point is society at large is wholly concerned about gender-roles. Maybe some people have been fortunate enough not to have suffer greatly because of it for there is change occurring but by and large it still happens.
As for the cooking thing? Women's place is in the kitchen? Really? The restaurant industry is dominated by males. When you go out to a restaurant the fact is your food will most likely be prepared by a guy. It is the truth. As for cooking ability? Depends on the person and how they were raised and any innate skills they have. I know guys and girls who can't cook if they're life depended on it. Heck, traditionally baking is associated with females, but I am the better baker than one of my female friends. However, this same friend is a better savoury cook than me. We have different areas we excel at regardless of sex.
I'll agree that there is no reason that a woman can't be the breadwinner, but I think it's pretty damn ingrained biologically for women to have a desire to nurture. Considering woman have their offspring developing inside of them for nine months, and then have the physical facilities to keep it fed after birth, women's bodies are biologically built for nurturing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeldy
That doesn't mean that a woman automatically has to take care of all of the people in their life, or that they must stay home and be house moms their whole lives. But you're kind of ignoring all of the biological factors that woman are pretty much built to nurture their offspring.
Well, duh. It's a cutthroat competitive world out there and for a woman to make it that far it would mean she'd have to be even tougher and meaner than the guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Summoner of LeviathanThe fact that you use "toughest feminist CEO career-bitch" reinforces the idea that women who do "men" role will somehow be a bitch, but a man doing the same thing is simply accepted if not applauded.Quote:
Originally Posted by kotorabecause it's hardwired into your genes and that of most female mammals, but I guess that's just a "social construct" as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZeldyOoooh a sociological debate! My favourite. :excited:
The idea of women having a "Motherly" instinct is completely socially constructed; the way boys and girls are socialized (ie. blue for boy, pink for girl, soldier for boy, play kitchen for girl etc etc) is what leads to these stereotypes of "women should be in the kitchen" etc. So we don't do ourselves any favours and then we wonder why it's OUR job to cook the meal when, ironically, most of the top chefs are men.
I don't know if that's at all relevant, but I feel clever.
This is completely (and stereotypically) socially constructed. Biologically, there is no "female instinct" or "desire to nurture". There's no reason why a woman can't be the breadwinner - why must the woman always take the expressive role?Quote:
Originally Posted by ~*~Celes~*~
even the toughest feminist CEO career-bitch will become a soft caring mommy when she gets a baby. Well most of them at least. Some just never care, in which case it just means they suck forever.