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Care to elaborate this general battle system that they taught?
This thread was a mistake.
I realize the error on my reasoning now.
But donīt close it please.
Maybe someone would see some logic on it I missed.
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Forget.Quote:
Care to elaborate this general battle system that they taught?
This thread was a mistake.
I realize the error on my reasoning now.
But donīt close it please.
Maybe someone would see some logic on it I missed.
Also Squall and Seifer can practice using gunblades in the training center and with each other. Practice makes perfect, and SeeD looks to use lots of on the job training. :p
Zell practices by getting through the mod for the hot dogs :bigsmile:
It's so simple this hurts my brain.
Just because he's a specialist of a weapon doesn't mean he is the only one who can use the weapon in Garden. Essentially troops often learn how to use different weapons. In medieval Europe the average foot soldier or archer was trained in the use of Bows, Crossbows, Sword and Hammer or Axe. He specialised in utilizing his bow so that the enemy didn't get close enough and sure he couldn't stand up against a swordsman in close combat unless he was lucky because his training wouldn't lead that way. However he could use the weapon he was given for melee combat if he needed to as a last resort.Quote:
Finally, a gunblade specialist!
Just because Squall is a specialist in the Gunblade it doesn't mean he is the only one to have used or learnt the use of the gunblade in the entirity of SeeD he would have learnt the basics from the instructors same as Seifer Almasy would have. However Squall and Seifer would probably have been left to find their own style and techniques wether from visiting masters or perhaps in the same wa as say Jeet Kun Do martial Artists learn the basics but develop their own martial art style from there on. As seen in the intro and everything about the two Gunblade masters we prominently see in the game (and Laguna in the "movie dream" against the Ruby Dragon. Though his style seems very reminiscent of Seifer's) fighting styles are very, very different from weapon design through to moveset. I'm led to assume that they developed their own fighting style after a core moveset was learnt.
I think general battle system should include weapon specialization shouldn't it? Or they battle using the mind? :bigsmile:
I dont think it was the word "specialist" we were argueing over but the word "finally" implying there werent any before himQuote:
Originally Posted by Iceglow
I'm sure I read or someone hypothesised that Seifer saw the movie Laguna was in and that's where he got the stance from. That's why he's got this whole Knight delusion going for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceglow
Gunblades even by Laguna's time were no longer a common weapon to use, he is quotable as noting he hadn't used a gunblade since initial training for the Gabaldian Army years prior in the Ruby Dragon duel scene.
I would assume the weapon is too specialised to be of common use. A gunblade is extremely powerful in close combat as we know. However it is also apparently a very complex weapon, I have studied fencing irl and can say looking at the two main characters gunblades (Squall and Seifer) the grip would make wielding the blades difficult at best and something where technique would count along with raw strength rather than one or the other. A gunblade appears a tactical weapon and perhaps something of an eloquent one too. What other purposes the gunblade would serve in terms of tradition ect is not explained in game and I won't theorize about it either but there could be some traditions ect to their use.
Having a member of SeeD focus their attention on learning a weapon of such type is probably a first because most SeeD candidates would either cover the minimum knowledge test of the weapon and then move on to a simpler or more effective weapon. So therefore I would assume he was merely one of the first two students they had what actually dedicated themselves to learning the most powerful close combat weapon available but one of the most difficult to use. Of the two he was the only one to actually pass the exam and therefore became the first.
Or, if we take a look at the Garden timeline.
Garden idea given to Edea by time-compressed Squall when normal Squall was roughly 5/6ish I'd say.
Therefore, Garden itself would only have been in operation roughly 10ish years before the game commenced. So there haven't been too many originally trained SeeDs.
But when Garden was first started, there needed to be some instructors, who were probably hired after they left certain armies. One of them probably was himself a gunblade specialist.
So the relatively short time that Garden has existed, the difficulty in learning the weapon, and the fact that only Squall & Seifer had been at the Garden since they were very young provide clear reasons why Squall became the first specialist with the weapon.
Agree with Iceglow that they probably all got basic training with a wide variety of weapons. But don't think they self-taught themselves.
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/7726/nautilus.gif
Dollet is where Squall's got his gunblade from. He learnt how to use it by himself, not Balamb Garden. BG was just his puppet; granting him the access to the training room to boost his skills. That's what schools are for.
It's logical. If Balamb Garden teaches students the Gunblade specialisation in general, then Squall/Seifer wouldn't be the only students that can use gunblades.
Proof?What Nautilus has to do with Gunblades?
I think he means that there are what seam to be Gunblades in the window?Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
I'm guessing he's self taught.
I mean, it seems like a complicated weapon, perhaps a weapon not many students can be bothered to learn how to use. Squall may have taken an interest in this old weapon and read and practiced with it. Because it's uncommon for this to happen, that's why Cid makes his remark.
Makes sense.
Look at the window in the picture. Inside the window, it displays gunblades...Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
And plus Nautilus is a type of fish, and if you recall, one of the Ultimecia's paintings is SWORDFISH. Since Nautilus displays Gunblades, it's likely that SWORDFISH is another name for Gunblade.
Nautilus/Gunblades/SWORDFISH would be a mere coincidence if only Squall and Ultimecia weren't connected to each other in any way what so ever.
Obviously. Otherwise, a LOT more students would have been taught how to use one provided by the Gardens and therefore, there would be a lot more students that use Gunblades as thier main weapons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crop
Squall read the "Battle Series" of Timber Maniacs.
I know this forum is designed for some wild theories, but why could Squall not have learnt how to use the gunblade from an ex-military gunblade instructor that Cid would have had to have hired when he started Garden as at that point, there were no SeeDs in existence.
Why does he have to be self-taught? I know Garden is pretty messed up, with people allowed to slice their fellow students faces open in training, the headmaster giving graduates the devil in a lamp and allowing a strange creature to live in the basement, but seriously, I'm sure they sometimes do things simply.