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I think you're hardcore if you play through a game without enjoying it, just so you can get to the "good bits later".
Like grinding forever in a game before you can fight a boss that doesn't really give you anything you need anymore because you're too strong.
That's hard core, and also a bit sad.
A much more fun term is pro gamer. If you aren't that, you're just small fry.
Just because I'm better than everyone else doesn't mean I want to paint myself as hardcore. That term, really, just conjures up images of people (teenagers, occasionally pre-teens) who mindlessly play FPS. That's not hardcore, that's just... :bou::bou::bou::bou:.
The more serious gamers will look at a PSP because it has some more serious games. The DS has a lot more pick-up-and-play games, though there are still quality games that fall into that category.
Hardcore just makes me want to headdesk. I like a wide variety of games. Different consoles are just the industry's way of inconveniencing me.
Am I going to need to list all the more serious DS titles instead? Has this not been done enough already? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Jiro
Just because a console has lots of accidental, any which way, bits-and-pieces, blind, capricious, careless, casual , chance, desultory, directionless, drifting, erratic, fanciful, fickle, fits and starts, flighty, fortuitous, frivolous, goalless, haphazard, heedless, hit-or-miss, indecisive, indiscriminate, irresolute, objectless, pointless, purposeless, random, shiftless, stray, thoughtless, unavailing, undirected, unguided, unplanned, unpredictable, vagrant, wandering, wanton, wayward games doesn't have any effect on the number of determined, devoted, die-hard, dyed-in-the-wool, explicit, extreme, faithful, intransigent, obstinate, resolute, rigid, staunch, steadfast, stubborn, uncompromising, unwaivering, unyielding games the system has. The DS has more total games, so having a larger number of one type of title doesn't make the other mutually exclusive.
*thesaurus results for casual and hardcore. Take your pick so we can stop nitpicking about language.
Just because a console has lots of erratic games doesn't have any effect on the number of intransigent games the system has. The DS has more total games, so having a larger number of one type of title doesn't make the other mutually exclusive.
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"Just making the shiniest, most expensive hardware doesn't cut it these days. Sure the PSP was beautiful and posh, whereas the DS was definitely the ugly sister. But hey, the ugly sister is better in the sack."
I was going to give examples of pick-up-and-play games on the DS but could only think of serious games :p Basically the DS is better suited to shovelware, but the hell do I care, I play good games. A list isn't necessary my good man.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoCrackerAm I going to need to list all the more serious DS titles instead? Has this not been done enough already? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Jiro
It's only more suited for shovel ware cause the system that's sold more is where the shovel ware ends up. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by JiroI was going to give examples of pick-up-and-play games on the DS but could only think of serious games :p Basically the DS is better suited to shovelware, but the hell do I care, I play good games. A list isn't necessary my good man.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoCrackerAm I going to need to list all the more serious DS titles instead? Has this not been done enough already? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Jiro
I actually find a lot more quality titles on the DS that are more serious games then quality ones on PSP. Of course, I'm still a huge RPG nut, and DS probably has the most RPG's of any system out right now, consoles included. :p
@Iceglow:
seriously would have retorted, but i think I'm gonna stick to what Rantzien said and lay off. Good for you for being soo clever!!
Anyways glad the thread is back on topic.
Your right about the DS selling enough units to make it a shovelware magnet, but I think you greatly underestimate the PSP library (quality over quantity). Both systems have good titles, I've said that many times over, but the PSP has better QUALITY TITLES!Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoCrackerIt's only more suited for shovel ware cause the system that's sold more is where the shovel ware ends up. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by JiroI was going to give examples of pick-up-and-play games on the DS but could only think of serious games :p Basically the DS is better suited to shovelware, but the hell do I care, I play good games. A list isn't necessary my good man.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoCrackerAm I going to need to list all the more serious DS titles instead? Has this not been done enough already? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Jiro
I actually find a lot more quality titles on the DS that are more serious games then quality ones on PSP. Of course, I'm still a huge RPG nut, and DS probably has the most RPG's of any system out right now, consoles included. :p
I'll agree with half of this. Quality is more important than quantity. Problem is, one persons opinion about what counts as quality is kinda shifty when talking about a subjective medium like gaming.Quote:
Originally Posted by nirojan
Saying one is better than the other because you personally judge some of the games as higher quality is seeping into fanboy territory. There's also the chance of confirmation bias where you're assuming the DS is full of crap, notice the crap and point it out while simultaneously saying that the exceptions are few.
I love the quality of games on both systems. There are fantastic games for each, but it's hardly a quantifiable thing that can be put on the scale to see who the winner is.
This is a subjective judgment which as no bearing on the argument. As a matter of opinion, it is inadmissible as evidence as to why the PSP should be considered better or more hardcore (a truly laughable notion) than the DS.Quote:
Originally Posted by nirojan
On that note, what is and is not hardcore is also completely subjective. There is no universal "hardcore gamer" standard; incidentally, this argument is therefore meaningless.
For your reference, during my freshman year of college, I owned every major video game console and spent approximately $2,000 on my video gaming habit. At the time, I regarded myself as a relatively hardcore gamer as a result. And why not? I spent a whole lot of time playing video games.
In 2010, I spent under $300 on video games. I now play video games for a couple hours every week because I'm busy doing other things (two jobs, multiple student organizations, and partying much harder than I probably should). I'll let you try and figure out which lifestyle I like more.
@Year & Ouch
Okay So i understand why you guys are dismissing my opinion as to which system should take the cake, but I'm just trying to the edge off the "DS superiority complex" running rampant around around here. There acting like the PSP has no games, and most people do not have both systems to compare, yet still arc that the DS is superior. And Ouch, good for you for turning you life around, but please refrain from any more personal life info. I really couldn't care less, the other guys were practically asking me to retort to them in a manner which I had to bring up my habbits.
No one said the DS is superior, only that what constitutes as a "quality game" is very subjective. De gustibus non est disputandum. If you prefer one genre to another, you may come to the conclusion one gaming system is better, has better quality titles. Or not. It really all depends and you souldn't take it all so personally.
I get that it's frustrating for people who like Sony products. For handhelds it seems that DS rules the roost in the opinions of most. For consoles the vast majority prefer 360.Quote:
Originally Posted by nirojan
I love my PSP and I defend it, but using spurious arguments about the superlative nature of one tech over another isn't going to help. Bad arguments aren't effective in fighting bad arguments. The PSP is great, but you also have to realize that the library is a bit smaller overall than the DS library (even if you kick out the shovelware).
I think the PSP is a hard sell to people without a broad interest in games. To that end, perhaps it's more likely to be played by hardcore gamers. If you only like one genre of gaming, the PSP library of that genre might be a bit lacking.
But, at the end of the day, if other people don't like enough of the games on the PSP, then there's no point trying to convince them that it's a better system. Either there aren't enough exclusives that interest them or they just aren't interested in some of the types of games on the platform.
Their opinion doesn't affect how much I enjoy my PSP, so I couldn't care less about their opinion on the matter.
I understand why you might be defensive in the face of the DS love fest that is the internet (though I don't necessarily see it so badly here), but a better tactic would be to argue the worth of the PSP on its own rather than vs the DS. Telling someone your hardware is better than theirs puts them on the defensive and makes them shut down from any reasonable discussion on the matter.
I merely brought up personal experience as an example as to demonstrate how useless I think it is to argue about what qualifies one to be a "hardcore gamer." I'm not worried that you don't care as that wasn't the point of bringing it up the first place; rather, it was to demonstrate the evolution of my opinion towards so-called hardcore gaming, which I think is such a bull:bou::bou::bou::bou: concept as to not be deserving of argument.
Which is kind of what I thought this thread was supposed to be about.