ULTIMATE Marvel vs Capcom 3!

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Originally Posted by Lionx

Also, Capcom did this from the start with SFII. They would come out within a year with its many revisions back then. Its not a recent thing.

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Besides that, those revisions of SF2 often cost more (SNES and Genesis games cost more back then than games do now, even with inflation! :eek: ) and had far fewer actual changes. The changes in those games were mostly put in as fan requests though, just like now.

The difference is, Capcom is putting much more of an effort into their upgraded fighting games these days. Balance changes, new modes, new HUDs, and 10+ more characters? Hell, back then we were lucky to get even one new character out of an SF upgrade. And if you wanted to get the newest game, guess what? You had to shell out another 50-100 bucks just to get the newest port.

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Originally Posted by Lionx

Also level 3 Ouroburos for Strider is assssssssssssss lol.

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After seeing how crazy it is in UMvC3, that may be for the best. Plus Ragnarok is a level 3 as well.

Yeah, Phoenix's air fireballs have gotten slower, on top of her only being able to do one in the air at a time. I heard her health was raised a little. Not sure if that's true or not.

I know a lot of the characters that people complained about, like Wolverine, have gotten toned down so far. Wesker got a huge health reduction and got heightened speed during X-Factor to make up for it. Things like that.

Essentially, the original was a beta test.

THE JACKEL

I guess i really want Strider/Doom to be viable again just like the old days. :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqQRljC5UrA

Phoenix getting one air fireball but balancing it with a slow down in speed sounds reasonable. I dont get Wesker nerf however, i didnt think he was as bad as Wolverine or Dante.

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Originally Posted by Polnareff

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Originally Posted by Lionx

Also, Capcom did this from the start with SFII. They would come out within a year with its many revisions back then. Its not a recent thing.

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Besides that, those revisions of SF2 often cost more (SNES and Genesis games cost more back then than games do now, even with inflation! :eek: ) and had far fewer actual changes. The changes in those games were mostly put in as fan requests though, just like now.

The difference is, Capcom is putting much more of an effort into their upgraded fighting games these days. Balance changes, new modes, new HUDs, and 10+ more characters? Hell, back then we were lucky to get even one new character out of an SF upgrade. And if you wanted to get the newest game, guess what? You had to shell out another 50-100 bucks just to get the newest port.

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Lucky? I don't know about that. We got 3 characters each time. The 1st 3 added was a given since they were boss characters in the original.

Super smash bros. Brawl: Ultimate edition!

Includes: Edward from twilight, cloud from FF7, Nathan Drake from Uncharted, and Picard from Star trek!

No mario though....

/endtroll

two words:

SCREW CAPCOM

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Originally Posted by Agent Proto

what happened to the DLC characters promised for MvC3?

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The earthquake in Japan disrupted their schedule for DLC, so they just decided to make it into a standalone title for a lower retail price.

I will be playing this game most likely because of Dr. Strange. I am very surprised that they put a character like that in the game, and I can't wait to see his gameplay videos released soon. I will be going to the Evo Tournament in Las Vegas later this week and I will have the chance to play the game and give my impressions. Honestly, I rarely play Vs. Titles like Marvel vs. Capcom, so I don't know if I will playtest unless I see Dr. Strange or Phoenix Wright in that build.

Nope, it's been confirmed that Evo will not have any character reveals. The next ones are in August. It's kind of a waste though since all the characters are leaked and Capcom has acknowledged that the leak was in fact real, so there's no embargo or anything preventing them from releasing the trailers. If there was, they (legally) would not have been able to say "oh yeah, all the leaked characters are TOTALLY legit!" :jess:

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Originally Posted by SuperMillionaire

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Originally Posted by Agent Proto

what happened to the DLC characters promised for MvC3?

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The earthquake in Japan disrupted their schedule for DLC, so they just decided to make it into a standalone title for a lower retail price.

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I call bulltrout. As bad as the earth quake was Capcom has still managed to continue onward with all of their other development and release dates. Besides, this isn't exactly rocket science. The engine is built. Just add a couple of more characters every so often. Maybe there would be a few weeks delay upfront but how many months has it been?

The reality is that this is what I have come to expect from a Capcom fighting game. Release again with some roster updates and charge full price again. They did it with Street Fighter 4 not that long ago. Unless they are beefing up the game with additional modes and challenges, ala the latest Mortal Kombat, then just release it as a DLC pack for those that already have the game.

In the end, I don't really care that much as I didn't buy MvC3 or Mortal Kombat whatever but this just seems like an excuse to follow the real business model. On top of that $5 per character originally sounded like a rip off. I guess if they are charging $60 then that is what all of the DLC characters would have cost anyway.

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Originally Posted by edczxcvbnm

The reality is that this is what I have come to expect from a Capcom fighting game. Release again with some roster updates and charge full price again. They did it with Street Fighter 4 not that long ago.

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For the record, they haven't charged full price for any of the updated versions of SF4. If I'm not mistaken, Super SF4 came out at around $40, and the Arcade Edition that was released recently was available to download for $15 I believe. Someone correct me if I'm wrong about those numbers, but they certainly weren't $60 purchases.

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Originally Posted by Vivi22

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Originally Posted by edczxcvbnm

The reality is that this is what I have come to expect from a Capcom fighting game. Release again with some roster updates and charge full price again. They did it with Street Fighter 4 not that long ago.

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For the record, they haven't charged full price for any of the updated versions of SF4. If I'm not mistaken, Super SF4 came out at around $40, and the Arcade Edition that was released recently was available to download for $15 I believe. Someone correct me if I'm wrong about those numbers, but they certainly weren't $60 purchases.

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You had the prices right. There is also the option to get SSFIVAE on disc too which is 40 bucks.

UMvC3 is 40 bucks too. 12 DLC characters would have cost 60 on their own.

Oh God. It is worse that I thought. I had no clue they released (or are going to release) yet another version of Street Fighter IV. Can't they just get it right the first time?

Sorry about the price mix up. My memory isn't what it use to be. I still view it all as a shady cash in tactic though :P

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Originally Posted by edczxcvbnm

Can't they just get it right the first time?

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Sadly that's very hard to do. Until a competitive game of any kind is released to be played by tens of thousands of people or more, it's basically impossible to test every possible strategy for every possible matchup that may arise. So you can end up releasing a game with balance issues you never expected or intended which are only discovered by the multitude of dedicated fans out there. So then you have some choices. If what the community finds literally breaks the game you patch it. Period. Any company that doesn't do this is stupid and doesn't give a trout about their fans.

But what if the stuff alters the balance enough that the game isn't quite what you intended, but it isn't game breaking? Now you can still just patch in balance changes, and some games like Team Fortress 2, Starcraft 2 and others do this regularly. But the fan base for the game may like the way it plays as is. Some may not want to play a version of the game that is completely different from what they played before since they'll have to learn new characters and matchups, and basically start almost from scratch with a game they may have owned for a year. A newer, cheaper release gives those who would like an updated version what they want while not pissing off fans who don't want it. I'm not really opposed to releasing new variants as stand alone titles for that reason, so long as the changes are enough to warrant a new release. I haven't played the new versions of Street Fighter 4, but the various releases of Street Fighter 2 and other Capcom fighting games were often very different.

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Originally Posted by edczxcvbnm

Oh God. It is worse that I thought. I had no clue they released (or are going to release) yet another version of Street Fighter IV. Can't they just get it right the first time?

Sorry about the price mix up. My memory isn't what it use to be. I still view it all as a shady cash in tactic though :P

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It's not quite as bad as what Arc System Works did with Blazblue, to be honest. It does still seem pretty bad if you're not used to how fighting games work. Oh, and the crappy economy doesn't really help matters.

The main reason for these upgrades anyway are to fix games to the customers' satisfaction. SF2 was really broken and people wanted to do mirror matches and play as the bosses. Champion Edition came out as a result of the fans. Then CE machines got hacked. Hyper Fighting came and some of the new moves from the hacked games made it in. Super was rushed out due to Mortal Kombat 2. But Super Turbo came out and was more balanced and had supers, as well as the option to use the SSF2 versions of characters.

Guilty Gear had the same thing happen.

Where this type of thing seems like milking though is when these games get ported to consoles. In actuality you're really saving money (weird, right?), compared to the arcade operators; the poor guys. :(

The other problem is that before fighting games come out they have location tests (they didn't back in the older days) and they aren't long enough to figure out all the kinks in said games. It usually takes weeks, sometimes even months for broken stuff to surface. Hell, even years in some cases.

Marvel vs. Capcom 2's tier list was completely different for like the first 2 years. Everybody thought Jill, Juggernaut, Gambit, and a couple others were broken. Strider/Doom. Then all the Cable shenanigans came out and he was the go-to guy. Then Storm, Magneto, and Sentinel were figured out. Now it's agreed upon that Storm, Mags, Sent, and Cable are the top 4.

Capcom was never able to balance the game because of contractual obligations, so it was left as-is.

I personally feel that Iron Fist should've been replaced with a good female like Ms. Marvel, Jubliee, or Shanna.