Final Fantasy XIV - Version 2.0!

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Originally Posted by Loony BoB

Just in case you misinterpreted - of the survey done in the FFXIV forums, around 70% said they would pay when subscriptions came in. 30% said they would quit. Not the other way around. :)

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Because the entire player base post on the forums. :p It's very evident that the real diehard fans that see no wrong post on those forums. I've seen so many cases of someone giving some good constructive critisism on the game only to be told to get the hell off the forums because the game is perfect how it is. Most of them don't even see why people were angry as all sin when the game was first released.

In fact, I have seen so many threads recently on there saying that 2.0 is stupid because it's just going to be like WoW and that the game is fine how it is.

This also happened in Vanguard. It's as if the community gets so jaded that they don't want change, even though the game completely sucks.

EDIT: Just looking at the forums now and I just see heaps of displeased threads about having to pay to play. The reply they get is generally "Good, leave you troll!" which doesn't make sense. It's like the diehard fans want to have an abominally low population (most MMO's go under with more players than FFXIV has right now) which makes no sense. And it's not like these people are trolls, paying a subscription for an MMO that doesn't even have half the functionality as other MMO's that are still in beta is downright robbery, especially when a lot of us paid for the collector's edition last year.

How intriguing.

If they hadn't given this game a Final Fantasy number, I think they would have benefited from completely scrapping the original game, and re-releasing the new game under a new name.

Don't get me wrong, the changes sound FANTASTIC. I mean, this is exactly the direction they needed to go. It's a big huge change, and I give them props for taking the plunge. It's all very exciting. It's just that I worry about the game from a business standpoint. I think it maybe too late for the game to be successful on a large scale, even with the 2.0. I will play the 2.0 version for sure. But I'm a big fan of FFXI and I keep up with the FFXIV news. Lots and lots of people don't and most likely won't even understand what the hell a 2.0 version of a game even means. It will look like an upgrade as opposed to a completely revamped game. But seeing as how they gave it a numbered title, there is no way in hell they could have scraped the current game and re-release it with a untarnished name. What a conundrum for Square.

I hope this does work out in the end for them and the game does become something of a success.

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Originally Posted by Rostum

In fact, I have seen so many threads recently on there saying that 2.0 is stupid because it's just going to be like WoW and that the game is fine how it is.

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I actually find this really confusing. There are people angry because the game is becoming more like WoW and there are people angry because the game is becoming more like FFXI. I mean, I thought those two games were extremely different. Are both sides stupid, is one side stupid or...?

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EDIT: Just looking at the forums now and I just see heaps of displeased threads about having to pay to play.

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While I really hate these threads purely because of the sheer number of them...

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The reply they get is generally "Good, leave you troll!" which doesn't make sense.

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I hate the replies that are like this. People need to be a little more constructive where possible. It's possible that the original few threads would have got valid replies but the later threads have been far worse purely because people are getting sick of reading the same thing over and over (and it goes without saying that some members are making more than a single thread, which in itself is irritating). But yeah, I'd rather people just left threads to die than to make snide responses. Sometimes I wish that place could be moderated in the same way that EoFF is, but sadly SE can not get away with such methods.

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It's like the diehard fans want to have an abominally low population (most MMO's go under with more players than FFXIV has right now) which makes no sense. And it's not like these people are trolls, paying a subscription for an MMO that doesn't even have half the functionality as other MMO's that are still in beta is downright robbery, especially when a lot of us paid for the collector's edition last year.

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There are a massive number of trolls (or at least, it seems that way) on both sides of the fence in those forums. It often takes a little effort to filter through the trollposts to find those with maturity.

This is going to make me sound like a complete noob but what the frak does troll me? Sorry, but I missed the meeting about the latest internet slang.Anyway, although I'm slightly dissappointed with how the game is right now and the fact that they showed off version 2.0 then told us to wait for another year but p2p right now. I'm still going to pay. Im not a die hard fanboy or anyhing its just for me, this game is better than WoW. (I played it for like 3 months) Controversial, maybe. But Im sure that there is a hell of a lot of people who prefer this kind of game and will pay for it. Unfortunately, people with negative views always shout about it and so gain everyones attention, while the people with the positive views just carry on enjoying the game.

A troll can be defined in different ways depending on who you ask on the internet, but the general consensus is described on urbandictionary.com as "One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument" - I think that's a pretty accurate description. Basically people who post things with the intention of upsetting or angering people.

There are a bunch of good descriptions here: Urban Dictionary: troll

Ok, so its (Flamer + Going off topic + insulting the poster = Troll) But why the word troll? Is this one of those times were the origin of the word is unknown?...

What I really dont understand is why they brought out races that dont have an opposite sex counterpart? Although I'm a big fan of the Elezen race, if I was able to become a male Miqo'te I would have. I hope, but I doubt this will happen, that during the release of version 2.0 they will give me the option of changing my race. I'd rather not have to pay for a second character.

And while I'm on about races, I feel like the game has made each race less unique by equally distrubting them through the three main cites. Surely the wildwood elezen were called so because they mainly live in the woods. And yet there is no more of them in Gridania than any other race.
Or at least dot a few villages around the place, like the Plainfolk Lalafell are said to live on grassy plains, so give them a small settlement of their own on Limsa Lominsa. I know its not really a big deal, but it would make the game seem more real and why invent the lore if your not going to base the game around it. But that was probably the first teams fault.

You will have the chance to change race, gender and appearance when the new races/genders are brought in.

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Originally Posted by Loony BoB

I actually find this really confusing. There are people angry because the game is becoming more like WoW and there are people angry because the game is becoming more like FFXI. I mean, I thought those two games were extremely different. Are both sides stupid, is one side stupid or...?

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Yeah, no wonder the developers can get confused at times. Both arguements are stupid, and for the most part it's generally "This 'really fundamental feature that just makes life easier' is in WoW so the game is trying to be WoW!" which is just retarded.

I've only played WoW for about an hour in total, probably, so I can't say much for that, but as for FFXI, hey, I enjoyed it well enough, although it did have it's flaws as well. I never really compare FFXIV to many other MMOs, though. I just think "Do I enjoy this?" and "Is it getting better?" and if the answer is yes to both, then that's great.