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Freya
You picked apart her grammar? Really?
Sorry, that particular phrase is a pet peeve of mine. It had nothing to do with her thoughts on the game. It was a separate issue. I wasn't trying to suggest that her thoughts were less valid because of a small grammatical issue. I pointed out specific reasons I disagreed with her views on that.
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The only reason WoW has such a hold on the market is because it was the first to really grab a hold on it. It has the expansions, it has the background. That is the ONLY reason. In fact, people are getting bored with it. Just last Nov, they reported losing over a million subscribers. I haven't looked lately but I'm sure there are far more. I was a hardcore WoWer from 05-09. Even went to blizzcon in 08. So if you want to throw in people who've played (your wife) than my opinion on the matter should be just as valid.
You must've skimmed my dissertations up there (and I don't blame you honestly). In short, I agree with you pretty much 100% and made many of these points. WoW was first out of the gate and everyone jumped on it. They did to a good job though. Sadly, most of those who try to copy their success miss some of the subtler points.
I see nothing where I was disagreeing with you about WoW. I was disagreeing with your estimation of TOR. Whether or not you happen to know a lot of people playing it or I know a lot leaving it, server consolidation is an objective measure of the decline of an MMO. My point is that it's a new MMO and one that people were very excited about with a pre-existing lore, yet it's essentially on the decline not even 6 months in. This is just the fate of games that try to use WoW's model too closely.
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I kinda hate the term "wow clone" or "wow killer" Any mmo that comes out is always associated with that. You're a music guy! That's like saying "Oh this new Justin Bieber song is a Beatles Killer" just because they are both music. Of course not exactly that but that's the line of thinking at least.
I dislike the term WoW killer because it reeks of idiotic hubris. I remember people talking about Warhammer and Age of Conan as being potential WoW killers. I remember reading in the WoW official forums about how crappy WoW was and how it was just "Waiting on Warhammer." Well, those games tanked too.
WoW clone is just a label that suggest what it is. I would NOT call FFXI a WoW clone at all. It's an MMO, but it's significantly different from WoW. Ultima Online (a pre-WoW MMO) wasn't like WoW and if a similar MMO came out now I wouldn't call it a WoW clone. Runescape is not a WoW clone. There is a difference between a game that is an MMO and a WoW clone.
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I don't doubt the initial surge of people will be grand but to just write it off as a WoW clone is just, in my opinion, silly.
I guess, like everything else in my life, I'll make judgements based on evidence. When there was no information out I was cautiously optimistic. Once I read the article in full all of that went out the window. Perhaps if new screens or info show evidence contrary to my opinions, they may change.
Of course, the more I read in the community the more I'm hearing loud agreement with my opinion. People don't want a 3rd person hotkey MMO. Plenty of people are outlining, more efficiently, my thoughts.
Here's one summation from someone else that says exactly what I expect.
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1. TES Online Anounced: Massive amounts of hype follows
2. Beta / Video Gameplay is shown, the hypemobile anounces that this is the MMO to end all MMO's
3. TES Online Released: A Huge amount of players purchase it alluding to its success
4. Two Months post release: Player/Subscriber numbers down more than 50%
5. One Year post release: Game is floundering like every other WoW-clone cash in attempt
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What they should do is make an up to four player co op version of a regular new-gen Elder scrolls game... it'd be just has hard to make but ten times as good.
This is what I keep hearing from people who've been fans of the series. They don't want an MMO so much as they just want some light co-op. If the company was tuned in enough to the players they would've gone this direction and probably saved themselves some in the short and long run.
