Keeping the dream alive...

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Originally Posted by Wolf

Bolivar: I don't know man, there is still always a chance. At least some of the big names like Masato Kato and Yasunori Mitsuda are still very interested in the franchise, so I could see SE some time down the road giving this game a 3D remake, though it will be more like the DS remakes than say something on a major console tech level. I mean they ported to the DS and iOS so its not like SE has completely abandoned it.

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I know man, I'm just so skeptical of SE these days that I feel it's best to kill any optimism I have deep down inside...

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Originally Posted by black orb

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Originally Posted by Bolivar

Orb, them attributing the trademark to Square has nothing to do with copyright. All you have to do to infringe someone's copyright is to actually copy it. Or distribute it, reproduce it, publicly display or perform it. The big one, though is preparing derivative works, essentially making sequels or spinoffs. That's the big issue here, as only SE has the exclusive right to do that.

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>>> I guess all the millions of fanarts, fanfics, doujin, etc out there would be copyright infringment too. But no company seems to make a big deal of it. :luca:

Fishy..

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As VeloZer0 and I pointed out in our posts, there's an array of defenses that can be raised, the biggest of which is Fair Use. Like so much of the law, it all comes down to "is it reasonable or not," and a teenager posting a fanfic on his deviantart profile is obviously fair, and there's a few factors that you use to back it up (whether or not it's commercial, how much and what it took, whether it's 'transformative' or not). Plus the remedy you're looking for when you sue someone from copyright infringment is damages, getting paid a ton of money for whatever that person did. If they didn't profit off of it, there's no money to be made and what's the point of spending money on lawyers for that? :p

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Originally Posted by Wolf

Bolivar: I don't know man, there is still always a chance. At least some of the big names like Masato Kato and Yasunori Mitsuda are still very interested in the franchise, so I could see SE some time down the road giving this game a 3D remake, though it will be more like the DS remakes than say something on a major console tech level. I mean they ported to the DS and iOS so its not like SE has completely abandoned it.

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I know man, I'm just so skeptical of SE these days that I feel it's best to kill any optimism I have deep down inside...

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Funny how seven years of talking to me finally brought you down to my level with SE. ;)

Eh, I only think its still possible because SE still vehemently protects this IP from fan works, which tells me they still plan on using it sometime down the road, though I feel Square and SE have kind of bumbled the IP and its nowhere near as strong as it could have been since they pretty much stopped talking about the game after Chrono Cross was released in 2000. I sometimes wonder if Chrono 3 may have been cancelled indefinitely because SE waited too long and lost any audience it could have had.

Just because they aggressively protect an IP doesn't mean that they ever plan on doing it. An IP is an asset that a company owns, just like an office building or the company fleet of cars.

If someone releases a 3D remake that means that the market demand of people who will potentially pay money for a SE 3D remake decreases and thus the value of the Chrono IP has decreased in the same way that a stock's value decreases. Even though they don't loose any income they see that the value of their (intellectual) property has decreased and thus the total value of their company on their assets and liabilities balance sheet has decreased. Though it sounds stupid for us, as something like this would likely invigorate attention to the Chrono IP, to the typical cooperation mindset it is kind of like someone vandalizing their building an lowering it's property value

You don't have to argue with me that this is narrow minded, I'm just trying to communicate with you about a way of thinking that is probably completely foreign to most people.

I must say, Square working together with Toriyama to make this remake would be a real dream.

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Funny how seven years of talking to me finally brought you down to my level with SE. ;)

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I will

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give you the credit for that! Seriously, though, they were making games that I honestly, thoroughly enjoyed back when the decline started, and even today they still make games that I like (FFXIII) and games that are exactly what I want to play (Tactics Ogre). The last year or two has been pretty bad, but I figure it can't get any worse than this, right?

... right?

>>> More interested on a new Chrono game anyways..:luca:

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>>> I guess all the millions of fanarts, fanfics, doujin, etc out there would be copyright infringment too. But no company seems to make a big deal of it.

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It seems the connection between copyright and fair use would involves a transformation of the original work. Technically, rerendering a scene from 2D to 3D (whether that work is a game, a movie, or a picture) is still a form of beligerent cloning. I think that if you use the source material to present new ideas (like if Crono had gone super seiyan and that was the only scene we were shown) it wouldn't be looked upon as infringement. For example, my largest projects (EYeS and EC) combine plot and relationships from BLEACH, Kingdom Hearts, Final Fantasy, Transformers, G.I. Joe, Terminator, KND, Xenosaga, Grimm tales, all while transforming the characters' identities (design, backstory) and presenting a new environment thus not being a direct recreation of any aspect of the original works.