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Definitely wasn't blaming Nomura for the XIII games, and I think you're right that management is probably the biggest problem at all. I think Ito has the capacity to make a great game, but no clue if he could pull it off given the state of the place in general.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShinGundam
But I can definitely blame Nomura for a decade of characters with stupid costumes made out of belts and zippers and the utter mess that passes for a plot in the Kingdom Hearts series :P
I don't trust them anymore, no. It's not the XIII series that did it for me. It's XIV, all the cell phone games, and slapping 'Final Fantasy' on any two bit product they want to produce. The name carries no weight any more.
I need SE to produce a quality RPG without 'Final Fantasy' or 'Kingdom Hearts' in the title for me to really think the company has turned itself around. I think that's what's missing.
I'm not even joking when I say Square Enix hasn't ever put out a game that I've been satisfied with. Squaresoft did. Squenix never. Could be the changing of the times, could be that something happened behind the scenes after the merger. Whatever it is I certainly don't expect much from them anymore.
Wait? People think that games with overworld maps were not linear? It was just a much larger corridor, but a corridor nonetheless. Often, in the older FF titles that had an overworld, you could not really go far without either meeting a guard blocking a key pass or the geography blocking your way. At least most of the them started rather linear until it opened up with a vehicle (be is ship or airship) though those were often unlocked only mid to end game.
As for SE itself. I tend to only get games that I think I will like. I really enjoyed both Deux Ex: Human Revolution and the latest Tomb Raider. Both really enjoyable games. I also enjoyed the recent FF (X, XII, XIII, and XIII-2). Would I say they were flawless? No. But they were still decent games and I enjoyed myself.
Do you trust a bunch of poisonous spiders not to bite you when you head into your shower and the spiders are there too ?
Yeah no.
Are you serious? we are talking about SQEX.Quote:
Originally Posted by maybee
I think FF and Square fans are just melodramatic as always.
Trusting most devs in this day and age never seems to end well. :(
Obsidian have literally never made a single mistake, shutyerface. :colbert:
There are exceptions, which is why I said most! :p
ShinGundam must be Wada's son or something.
Not really. I don't trust SE but I was being a little silly. There was a huge spider in my bathroom and I was mad about it. Sorry about that. :ffvilaugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by ShinGundam
Really ? I mean I used to trust SE and then they brought alot of quick-cash cellphone games, and FF XIII-2's horrible ending. Plus no Versus, not releasing some games to the West and down right lying about FF XIII's ending being about Light being happy and her smiling.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShinGundam
I was being OTT about the Spider thing, but I am being serious about not trusting them.
Let me see.
FF10, liked.
FF10-2, great gameplay, story could have been better. Also loses points for messing up the great ending of the first game.
FF11, liked.
FF12, liked.
FF13, eh, I don't regret spending time on playing it, but that's about as much praise as I can give it.
FF13-2, hated the story, loved the gameplay
FF14, man what a clustersmurf that was.
All in all, they've made a few smurfups, but really, it's not enough to remove all faith in them as a developer.
I guess the main thing I trust them to do is not get stuck in one kind of style. Even if they don't always succeed, they do actually try new things out. That's something I feel like I can still trust them on.
And seriously, so what if they release cellphone games? It is a reasonably big market for portable gaming, whether you like it or not.
I'll probably get flamed for this, but oh well lol. Yes, I actually do really trust Square-Enix. In fact, I love the merger. I think it's really cool having Star Ocean, Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, and Chrono all under one company. Moreover, since the merger SE has made my favorite DQ game (VIII), 2nd fav Star Ocean (Last Hope), and one of my fav FFs (XII). I think people are too quick to point and blame the current producers/directors, but heck X-2 was made while Sakaguchi was still there. XIII isn't one of my favs, I liked it but I wouldn't want them to make XV or XVI in a similar fashion to XIII, but I know they won't because they never repeat themselves. That's why I love FF so much, they always change things up and keep it FF but fresh.
Why should I have to trust a purveyor of entertainment?
If they provide the service for which I am paying (entertainment), then I will support them with my money. If I'm not entertained, I don't buy. It's that simple.
This doesn't involve trust. So, my answer is that the point is moot.
If they made games I found entertaining, I would buy them and play them and probably post in forums about them.
Dragon Quest VIII was a superior product. That's really kind of the last thing they did that caught my attention. I haven't played IX but I don't like the sound of MMORPG gameplay. Apparently X has more...
I'm pleased when they make games that are interesting to me, but trust? I trust that the car isn't going to explode when I turn the ignition. Squeenix might make a buck off me, if they play their cards right.
Yes, I absolutely trust Square Enix.
They make great games and always have. Dragon Quest VIII and Final Fantasy XII were mega-masterpieces. And they made a ton of fun handheld games ever since with the classic Square music, mechanics, and charm. I truly feel so, so sorry for the many of you who obviously don't play them.
Final Fantasy XIII was a good game. The combat was decent, the sound production was off the hook, and the story had more character interaction than ever before in the series. Plus it was gorgeous to look at and run around in. I wish people would get over open-world games. Check the Steam group, I'm modding Oblivion to hell right now, but all open-world games provide are brief moments of wanderlust or solitude before shoehorning you into claustrophobic dungeons with worse level design and visual appeal than their Japanese counterparts.
Anyway, they have recent games that are tight as well, like Dissidia 2 and Tactics Ogre. Oh my smurf, Tactics Ogre. If you all want to burn me at the stake for praising a new project that happens to be based on an old game, knock yourselves out. But it was a new project by Matsuno himself and it has deeper gameplay, richer art and music, and better writing than any game any of you have played on your HD boxes.
No, really. It does. Square Enix, baby :cheers: