Your Overall Impression of Tidus

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Originally Posted by The White Wizard of Fynn

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Originally Posted by Skyblade

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Originally Posted by The White Wizard of Fynn

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Originally Posted by Forsaken Lover

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Originally Posted by The White Wizard of Fynn

I don't like it when one event in the game makes a character do a 180 in their behavior and then people laud it as great character development.

smurf this guy.

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...I don't think that ever happened to Tidus.

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Well, too bad.

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You might take a moment to explain the event you are referring to. :D

It's easier to discuss that way.

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Didn't mean to discuss anything, anyway :D

Here's my gripe. He's a whiny bitch throughout the game, narcissistic, self-centered, really dumb. Suddenly, he finds out Yuna will die and he isn't real. Whoopty-do. The next thing you know, he's a selfless hero, sacrificing himself for others, a mature adult and all that whatnot.

The worst thing is, this could have actually worked, if it had all progressed more smoothly, had his psyche been developed more. A similar change happened to Squall, but because we got to see all of his thoughts, you could see how natural this progression went. Here it's just a switch, and once flipped, our coming-of-age story hero has now learned a lesson.

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I can't really agree with this. I feel like every place you go, everything he sees, you can almost hear the tone of his voice changing. I think the first moment you get this is the Kilika incident. He lives in a place of riches and extravagance. He was like the Tom Brady of his world. The first portion of the game, Tidus is just a guy trying to figure out what the F is going on and why. After he begins to realize his situation is becoming more or less permanent (around the time he gets on the boat with Yuna and co.), he finally starts to take a look around him. When he gets to Kilika and sees the tragedies of this very real world, Yuna and company's faith and beliefs lead him to take more notice. Kilika is a very somber moment for the protagonist and happens well before the event you're describing.

Next, are the events in Luca. I know many people think this part doesn't mean much. However, I think it's one of the bigger plot points in the game for Tidus. And no, I'm not talking about Yuna's kidnapping. When Tidus bows out of the Blitzball game so Wakka could take over and have his last hurrah, I think is when he really took notice of how selfish he'd been in the spotlight. This moment shows the bonds he's begun to make with his friends.

Then, of course, is Guadosalom (sp) and the Farplane. This is another big moment for Tidus. He sees he's not the only one with problems. The others celebrate the fallen family members and friends around them, cherishing every moment they can have even though many of these characters had little useless quarrels with their loved ones as Tidus and his father did, they were put aside. Tidus understands his more and more as the story goes on and I feel around now begins to learn that it's not worth it to hold a grudge. As smart men say, holding a grudge is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die.

I didn't mean to rant, but there's more character development for Tidus then for pretty much every main protaginist save maybe Cloud, Locke (there was no character development for Terra, don't care what anyone says, terrible character who I cared nothing for), and Squall. If there's anything wrong with this game, to me, it's definitely not Tidus. People just don't like him. Whatever, but to say that this game had only one moment of character change is ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Omni-Odin

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Originally Posted by The White Wizard of Fynn

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Originally Posted by Skyblade

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Originally Posted by The White Wizard of Fynn

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Originally Posted by Forsaken Lover

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Originally Posted by The White Wizard of Fynn

I don't like it when one event in the game makes a character do a 180 in their behavior and then people laud it as great character development.

smurf this guy.

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...I don't think that ever happened to Tidus.

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Well, too bad.

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You might take a moment to explain the event you are referring to. :D

It's easier to discuss that way.

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Didn't mean to discuss anything, anyway :D

Here's my gripe. He's a whiny bitch throughout the game, narcissistic, self-centered, really dumb. Suddenly, he finds out Yuna will die and he isn't real. Whoopty-do. The next thing you know, he's a selfless hero, sacrificing himself for others, a mature adult and all that whatnot.

The worst thing is, this could have actually worked, if it had all progressed more smoothly, had his psyche been developed more. A similar change happened to Squall, but because we got to see all of his thoughts, you could see how natural this progression went. Here it's just a switch, and once flipped, our coming-of-age story hero has now learned a lesson.

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I can't really agree with this. I feel like every place you go, everything he sees, you can almost hear the tone of his voice changing. I think the first moment you get this is the Kilika incident. He lives in a place of riches and extravagance. He was like the Tom Brady of his world. The first portion of the game, Tidus is just a guy trying to figure out what the F is going on and why. After he begins to realize his situation is becoming more or less permanent (around the time he gets on the boat with Yuna and co.), he finally starts to take a look around him. When he gets to Kilika and sees the tragedies of this very real world, Yuna and company's faith and beliefs lead him to take more notice. Kilika is a very somber moment for the protagonist and happens well before the event you're describing.

Next, are the events in Luca. I know many people think this part doesn't mean much. However, I think it's one of the bigger plot points in the game for Tidus. And no, I'm not talking about Yuna's kidnapping. When Tidus bows out of the Blitzball game so Wakka could take over and have his last hurrah, I think is when he really took notice of how selfish he'd been in the spotlight. This moment shows the bonds he's begun to make with his friends.

Then, of course, is Guadosalom (sp) and the Farplane. This is another big moment for Tidus. He sees he's not the only one with problems. The others celebrate the fallen family members and friends around them, cherishing every moment they can have even though many of these characters had little useless quarrels with their loved ones as Tidus and his father did, they were put aside. Tidus understands his more and more as the story goes on and I feel around now begins to learn that it's not worth it to hold a grudge. As smart men say, holding a grudge is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die.

I didn't mean to rant, but there's more character development for Tidus then for pretty much every main protaginist save maybe Cloud, Locke (there was no character development for Terra, don't care what anyone says, terrible character who I cared nothing for), and Squall. If there's anything wrong with this game, to me, it's definitely not Tidus. People just don't like him. Whatever, but to say that this game had only one moment of character change is ridiculous.

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I disagree. The thoughts we hear from Tidus are narrated from the point of view of him after his "character development", when he's this awesome selfless hero and sees what a douche he was. He remains as clueless and dumb and inconsiderate as ever before the wham episode. And every time you actually see him break down in the moments you mention, next scene he's A-OK and ready to embarass himself again. I'm sorry, but for me a person whose attention span is so short and who cannot reflect meaningfully on the experience he's having until one of them suddenly makes him selfless, for whatever reason, is not a believable character with believable development. So yeah, that's how I see it.

Also, Terra's development was awesome, and I cannot fathom how you can't see it :D From the start she has issues with feeling love and the people she meets help her get a broader picture of it every time something happens. After the catastrophe, she becomes a mother to the orphans and this becomes her main motivation to make the world a better place again. IMO, that is great payoff.

Well let me be frank about that. I thought pretty much all the characters were shallow in VI except maybe Cyan for obvious reasons. All I can remember about Terra was that she was a lost little puppy until she has her spaz out "I'm a monster" moments. I really thought Terra was much more annoying than Tidus and I couldn't fathom how people can cling to a character like her.

And the catastrophe. You want to talk about a turn of the switch character moment that you're so opposed to. This is like the epitome of it in the FF series.

But that's to each his own, I guess. Didn't mean to get so into it about FFVI as this is a Tidus thread. But if you don't like him, that's to each his own. I guess I felt a sort of attachment to Tidus that I didn't to Terra, or most of the FFVI party (save Cyan).

"Macarena Temple"

Hate. His naive self-centered entitlement complex didn't mix with the plot or his role very well. He was constantly under the mistaken presumption that he was the central character in the plot. This is not your story. And whiney'ness doesn't help reconcile my hate. Only reaffirms it

Yeah that always bugged me too. How about it's not your story and it's not always about you. Heck they could have left him out completely and come up with the same end result.

He had some good moments, don't get me wrong, but overall the type of guy that I wouldn't want to spend anytime alone with in case he decides he wants to speak and I accidentally mention the word dad or father.

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Originally Posted by Omni-Odin

And the catastrophe. You want to talk about a turn of the switch character moment that you're so opposed to. This is like the epitome of it in the FF series.

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Yeah, I know this part if the discussion is over, but I just wanted to point out that a year passes before we reunite with Terra, so this change is highly believable. And no, such in-you-face writing is not the epitome of subtlety. Vi, VII, IX, XII and many others had many precious subtle moments. The reason I like X the least (I do NOT hate it) out of all the FFs that I have played is its lack of subtlety. Its message is anvilicious as smurf and Tidus embodies this total lack of subtlety the most.

Anyway, fun discussion, man :D I respect your opinion.

But still, smurf this guy.

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Originally Posted by Vyk

Hate. His naive self-centered entitlement complex didn't mix with the plot or his role very well. He was constantly under the mistaken presumption that he was the central character in the plot. This is not your story. And whiney'ness doesn't help reconcile my hate. Only reaffirms it

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So him being Jecht's son isn't reason enough? Seems a good enough reason to me. The story is told through his eyes, anyway.

I really don't understand how people can complain that he's self-centered. Yeah, he is, but you're complaining about that? Are you sure you played VII and VIII? Besides, it works for Tidus's character - he's supposed to be a little douche, at least at first. And he's socially oblivious and blunt, which is a nice departure from protagonists like Squall and Cloud.

When it comes to an "impression," you're talking about how I perceived the character.

While he may be a well-written character, with good motivations and a great attitude, who accomplishes great things, my perception of him is ultimately colored by the terrible, terrible dub job.

Annoying, immature, self-absorbed, whiny, and with stupid clothes.

So "negative."

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Originally Posted by Spooniest

When it comes to an "impression," you're talking about how I perceived the character.

While he may be a well-written character, with good motivations and a great attitude, who accomplishes great things, my perception of him is ultimately colored by the terrible, terrible dub job.

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I don't agree with that at all.

While some of his lines are absolutely horrid (see the infamous laughing scene, for example), Tidus was a rather well done set, especially in his retrospectives. I don't think it's fair to say that James Taylor did a sub-par job even if you don't like his character...

...Because Yuna was a thousand times worse.

I don't know how you could play the game without liking Tidus at least a little bit.

He is a bit of a pain in the ass, isn't he? Takes a while to get to like the character, and I found it really jarring how narrator-Tidus is so much less of an obnoxious douchebag and in-game flashback Tidus was just such a whiny :bou::bou::bou::bou:. I mean, it fits the character and he develops well but holy smurf can you really just walk around being such a dick? Try sitting and being introspective to figure out this new world instead of troutting all over everything xD

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Originally Posted by Jiro

I mean, it fits the character and he develops well but holy smurf can you really just walk around being such a dick? Try sitting and being introspective to figure out this new world instead of troutting all over everything xD

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He is a famous teenager, after all.

We've all seen what Justin Bieber has become...

I'll be honest, when I first started up FFX I couldn't relate to Tidus in the least and was rather put-off by him; however, that's how he was designed. He is supposed to a whiney-ass, annoying little prick and certain characters like Lulu and Auron call him on his crap.

I voted positive, because I felt real solid progression from the character and I slowly grew more attached to him as he begun to change and grow as a character. After completing FFX, Tidus jumped to one of my favorite characters in the series.