Most Overrated Character

I don't think FFX's story had to be told from Tidus's perspective. I don't think it had to be told from anyone's perspective. Maybe tell the story from the player's perspective. It's just a narrative. FFVII wasn't told from Cloud's perspective. It wasn't told from anyone's perspective. It was given to the players as needed. And X could have done the same thing. Their mistake was trying to force us to feel like we could relate or care about that whiny asshole so that's the eyes they gave us. I suppose he is probably highly rated by Square and/or Japan? Ugh

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Originally Posted by chionos

If you don't like the narrative perspective of FFX, then you probably haven't read The Sound and the Fury or any other first person narrative that tells someone else's story (I call it third person by proxy). The whole story of TSatF is about the character Caddy, and she never gets to narrate her own story. You can't knock Benjy for the story taking time to show Caddy through his eyes. Telling the story through Tidus is the best way to show Yuna's story, imo. If it were from her perspective from the beginning, our sympathies would be forced and not genuine. I think the Tidus character is effective in leading us to Yuna.

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Which would have worked better without Tidus repeatedly claiming that it was his story. ;)

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Originally Posted by chionos

I hate Lightning. I don't think anyone actually likes Lightning.

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Lightning was just about the only thing I liked about FF13. Character animations are really important to me, and she was the only one who looked convincingly agile enough to actual fight. That and the get pissed of at people an punch them in the face is far more endearing to me than to whine about it melodramatically. Now asking if she deserved two more games is a whole different question....

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Originally Posted by VeloZer0

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Originally Posted by chionos

(SPOILER)If you don't like the narrative perspective of FFX, then you probably haven't read The Sound and the Fury or any other first person narrative that tells someone else's story (I call it third person by proxy). The whole story of TSatF is about the character Caddy, and she never gets to narrate her own story. You can't knock Benjy for the story taking time to show Caddy through his eyes. Telling the story through Tidus is the best way to show Yuna's story, imo. If it were from her perspective from the beginning, our sympathies would be forced and not genuine. I think the Tidus character is effective in leading us to Yuna.

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Which would have worked better without Tidus repeatedly claiming that it was his story. ;)

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Originally Posted by chionos

I hate Lightning. I don't think anyone actually likes Lightning.

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Lightning was just about the only thing I liked about FF13. Character animations are really important to me, and she was the only one who looked convincingly agile enough to actual fight. That and the get pissed of at people an punch them in the face is far more endearing to me than to whine about it melodramatically. Now asking if she deserved two more games is a whole different question....

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Hey, I didn't say they pulled it off perfectly. I'm just saying that it's possible to tell one character's story through another character. To hate on Tidus because the story wasn't from Yuna's perspective is shortsighted. It's not Tidus's fault, in other words. Tidus isn't the best character in the series, but he's not the worst. I don't think Tidus is one of these characters the fans have wildly different opinions on. Lightning, on the other hand...

I can agree with you about the design. I don't have problems with her design at all. In fact, those really early tech videos of her fighting in the train car got me really excited about the character, because she does in fact look like someone who would be fighting. But her personality is crap. Or rather, almost all of the interactions between characters in FFXIII suck. The writing ruins what could have potentially been a good character. I don't think the fans overrate Lightning, but SE certainly does.

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Originally Posted by chionos

I hate Lightning. I don't think anyone actually likes Lightning. Anyone on the internet saying otherwise is a Square Enix PR robot.

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I am a Square Enix PR robot.

You will like Lightning. You will like Lightning. You will like Lightning. You will like Lightning. You will like Lightning. You will like Lightning. You will like Lightning. You will like Lightning.

Actually I just hate Tidus in general, that is just one more thing that serves to annoy me about him. Though strangely enough he is my favorite character to play in Dissidia. :confused:

As for Lightning, I found her the most relate-able character in FF13. That said I have never been accused of being close to the center of the bell curve.

I like Tifa because she stands by her man.

Cloud
Sephiroth
Tifa
Vivi
Lightning

I actually like all these characters buuuuttt yeah. lol.

Probably Kefka in terms of overall overratedness. He's typically very well-loved and admired. I think he's a pretty great villain, sure, but come on.

I think Kefka's claim to fame was probably that he was basically the first worthwhile villain. Most antagonists at the time barely had a name, let along a personality or (god forbid) believable motivation. Sure being a nihilist still made him basically an unrelatable evil. But he was far from typical

He may not have withstood the test of time, but at that time, he was leagues ahead of everything else on the market. At least from my perspective

It's kinda like how everyone fell in love with Heath Ledger's Joker. It was something we hadn't seen done before, and it was so well done. It's not so amazing anymore. But at the time, it was arguably pretty phenomenal

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Originally Posted by Vyk

Most antagonists at the time barely had a name,

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Pretty sure ExDeath had a name and a half

And let us not forget the masterpiece that is NEO EXDEATH!!!!

Yeah I can't imagine anyone walking up to ExDeath and going "Heya, ExDeath. How's it going?"

Where as with Kefka, he's a person, with a name, and personality, I can imagine it at least. I mean he'd probably punch you in the back of the head for talking to him so casually. But at least it's conceivable lol

Um......Cloud........I guess.

Definitely Sephiroth for me. I never got what is so incredibly amazing about him that supposedly puts him to whole another level. In my opinion he is fine villian with believable motivation and all that but there isn't that much more about him.

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Originally Posted by chionos

If you don't like the narrative perspective of FFX, then you probably haven't read The Sound and the Fury or any other first person narrative that tells someone else's story (I call it third person by proxy). The whole story of TSatF is about the character Caddy, and she never gets to narrate her own story. You can't knock Benjy for the story taking time to show Caddy through his eyes.

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god I hated that book so much

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Originally Posted by Raistlin

I won't say Tidus just because nobody likes him.

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Tidus is one of my all-time faves, sorry mate :flirt:

Anyways I also never understood everyone's Tifa obsession. The last time I off-handedly mentioned this on chat I got a huge earful from Lonny BoB about how Tifa is god's gift to videogames or something. :shrug: (he probably won't remember, this was a while ago. But I remember, BoB. I remember.)

edit: also Vincent, I remember thinking he was ~so dark and edgy and cool~ when I first played through the game but now I have no idea what I was thinking.

Cloud and Sephiroth. I like them a lot, but they are still overrated lol.