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I just saw a blowback today about a new VN on steam when I was looking at siliconera this morning. There's a murder mystery VN coming out on steam and the comments were full of not so great things because it's Yaoi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Karifean
People :/
It is true, Japanese games are lagging behind, mostly because of the obvious taboo nature. It is becoming better; Fire Emblem Fates being a more prominent example. Funnily enough, Persona 2 had the opportunity for a gay relationship, which was then rescinded in P3 and P4 (there are flashes of this with Aigis, and a very tentative exploration with Kanji).
But yeah, western games, especially western RPGs, are becoming more progressive.
You could actually drug the lesbian character into becoming romantically interested in the male main hero in fates, though :p Luckily, they'll remove that in the Western release
One of the examples where the localization team has more sense than the devs.
What? Why is this a thing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fynn
because she needed a man to impregnate her so she could give birth so you could get the kid as a party member
Fire Emblem Fates is a step in the right direction, but it is barely a step. I mean, there's one female and one male option. In the entire game. I was curious and looked them up, and one is... well, here's an excerpt:
"Sadistic and callous, Niles derives pleasure from watching the suffering of others, a fact made plainly evident throughout his supports, where he visibly becomes excited when bearing witness to the pain and discomfort of his conversational partners."
The other character isn't much better:
"Rhajat is extremely prejudiced and stalks those she deems "compatible" with her. She thinks her father is childish. She often spends her days researching dubious spells."
So Rhajat is a predatory gay, and Niles is a sadistic gay. Such progress! Maybe they get meaningful development during the game, who knows. But from the surface, they seem like terrible representations of LGBT people.
I had a blast having dude on dude romance in Dragon Age Inquisition and would love for more RPGs to have the option.
But aside of that I don't particularly care.
I chose the only if it's optional choice. That goes for same sex relationships too. I like how BioWare does it where if you romance them correctly they will fall in love with you.
In in that I think every one should be romancable for either sex. Guys have a crush on Allistar, they should be allowed to romance him.
Pretty much exactly what I came here to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freya
Yeah, totally. And not just in Bioware RPGs where the player character has homosexual 'options' (options I fully took up with Liara). I'd like to see a Zidane/Dagger or Tidus/Yuna kind of story, but between two men or two women. And I think creating a gay relationship "for the sake of it" is in fact exactly what writers should be doing. It's very easy to slip into your default setting when coming up with a story; I'm a straight white man, so I tend to write straight white men by default. So far I've not encountered a situation in my own stories where the straightness, whiteness, or man-ness of these characters were critical to the plot in some way.
So, why not make some of them gay? Or a different ethnicity? Or women? It's good to get into the habit of creating diversity.
I mean, think about it - what if in FFIX, Dagger was a man? How would that have changed the story in any way?
Actually, I'm not sure I agree with this. While I'm all for bisexuality (heck, I'm bisexual myself), I don't think it'd be realistic. I like that some characters are straight, some are gay and some are bi or pansexual. Some others just aren't interested. I dislike it when modders tinker around the coding to make a straight character available for a gay romance, and vice versa.Quote:
Originally Posted by FFNut
How I see it, they were written as that sexuality. Forcibly changing their sexuality just doesn't sit right.
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Originally Posted by Formalhaut
To be fair, if Awakening is anything to go by, this is how all the characters are written. Over-the-top caricature bordering on psychopath is a thing for a lot of them. Played for laughs.
It's kind of similar to the new gay options added to the Enhanced Edition of Baldur's Gate, in that it seems like unfortunate implications on paper, but actually works in the context of the game. In BG EE we get a bisexual half-orc and lesbian vampire who are both evil. But not only are both of them compelling characters and okay to use in neutral or good parties, but their sexuality is completely incidental to their alignment and only really comes up in the romances, so it's not like they invoke the All Gays Are Depraved trope
Also, yeah, we totally need more main gay couples and beta gay couples, like if Sephie was a guy in FFVIII and still developed a relationship with Irvine, or if Balthier was a girl. Seriously, the beta couples are sometimes way more compelling than the main ones (looking at you, the Last Story).
I agree with this. I like to see equality. Based on my expert knowledge of The Sims 2 I find that Life Sims such as these are good at giving you the option of being diverse with sexuality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Formalhaut
I'm a bit disappointed that Alter Ego does not do the same, its a much more traditional values game.
And yes to Pumpkin's question, there should be more same sex relationships in games, so that it is more equal.
I'm just fine with more romance options in video games, so it doesn't really bother me.
I'm also not gay, so while I might choose to have a same sex relationship in a game and I'm not offended by them or anything, I'm not as excited or adamant for it as others. It comes from a place of wanting better representation for others instead of just wanting it because I find it better or more desirable.