Express your FFX-2 opinions!

Well this is the problem with Final Fantasy sequels - people start to pick up inconsistencies. Maybe FFX-2 would have been better as a different game. Afterall, it's what Square knows best.

The thing is though - you've got to look at the reality of the situation. You're complaining about certain things not being realistic - but very little in the FF games is. That's the point. It's not meant to be realistic. It doesn't have to make sense all the time. Just let yourself go and enjoy it.

People always seem to choose to ignore certain things yet pick up on others just to belittle what they're trying to oppose.

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Squaresoft is taking it to far to fast, their was no need for change.

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Squaresoft is a company who's primary objective is to make money. No matter what you might think or what you might want them to behave like they are primarily out there to gain money. They do this via having a large fanbase and by increasing it.

ALL (read: 95%) of Square's current fans will play game after game that they release. They've already been won by them and want to see what they bring out next. I'm in this category, most people on the boards will be.

Then there are those people who have never played a FF game. Square is now targetting these people to make sure that they are continually expanding the number of people playing FF games.

It makes no sense, indeed it is almost financial suicide, to simply cater for certain hardcore (even elitist) views on how FF games should be.

By adding in the alluring new dress codes they're are appealing to young males (mainly). By adding in the pop stars job class or whatever it is, they're appealing to masses of people who think the game might revolve around this - thus they're getting more customers.

This is what it's all about.

However you've got to think that they wouldn't be so stupid as lure all these people in and then disappoint them with a game that fails to please.

I'm expecting the game to be different - yet good.

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Strange I remember Adolf Hitler saying some thing about change, too

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Come on, you can't be serious.

I remember someone called Martin Luther King who said something about change, too...

See?

I refuse to give my opinions on it until I can actually judge it for myself.

All I can say is I hgave high expectations of it and I am looking forward to another great FF game. Ya Know? Oh ya should this be in the FFX-2 forum? Meh

Yeah. It should. Let's just hope a moderator will come skipping along to move it.

As for the idea of FFX-2, well...I'm very excited about it and want to play it. It seems interesting (VERY interesting) from what I've read about it and I'm curious about some of the new characters (Lenne and Shuin for example). I don't really care for the clothes, but that's because I'm a girl. Blah. o_o

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Originally posted by Prodigy
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Come on, you can't be serious.

I remember someone called Martin Luther King who said something about change, too...

See?

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Change isn't always good though, granted it may be some times, but not always. I'd of preffered for it not have changed, that's my opinion, if I don't convince people to not play it I don't care. My cause is to express why I don't like the game. The fact that Square does all of this for money bugs me, it feels like they've betrayed me, taking what once was great and, this next comment is my opinion, ruining it. Yeah-thats right. Ruining it. They made me love it and now they go down a grade by trying to attract a younger crowd, I became a fan of FF7 when I was young, I was brought in not by guns, girls, or any thing of that sort. I got caught up in it on one of Blockbuster machines (the kind they use to let you preview games). I wasn't in to RPGs or reading for that matter, but I did and because of a scene that really brought me in to the game I played through the game. I would never-ever forgive Square if they did some thing like this to 7 I would be enraged. I'd probably quit playing Square's game for a very long, long, long time. I am mad at Square for what they've done if it were FF7 they did this to, their would be no end to my complaining. None. I would never cease and agree with it.

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I suppose it'd be better if I just said "D00D THIS GAME R SUXORZ!!!!!1" instead of explaining what I dislike about it? No I think not. If I "belittle" the game in the process of explaining why I loath it, oh-well, ignore me if it bugs you.

I'm not going to rave about the good things of the game, because in my opinion it's the bad things that stick out and cause me to speak out. I don't care what other fans are doing. I'll stick to my opinion of the game untill some one shows me solid proof that this game is an RPG, because I don't think it is one, if the Lara Croft series isn't then the Yuna Croft series should be no better despite what game was before it.

Had Square created a new shooter, who'd of had training with the gun, not of messed up Yuna, I'd of been more inclined to like this game. People keep on saying that she's different because of her pilgrimage...? I don't care what happens in a persons life what they are taught from the day they exist to any point in time sticks with them, she has no logical reason to change, and yet she willingly wears cloths which are the EXACT opposite of what she was wearing before? Uh, yeah right. Even if Rikku was trying to convince her to come to the unfashionablecy-insane side I doubt she would. Who the hell would take fashion advice from a girl wearing a bikini and a scarf any ways? So maybe it's all because of a diguise, some disguise you can tell it's her.

*applauds*

I agree with everything he says, that clever Zippy.

ZeZipster you have no evidence at all that this game is going to be any worse. I have explained why Yuna would change, and why it would be ridiculous for her to be the same. I have explained why Square aren't simply out to make money by ruining characters. I've even pointed out why it's silly to think Yuna shouldn't be able to use guns.
You aren't argueing based on more than assumptions, in fact given you are yet to try and point out why I'm wrong, you aren't argueing at all, you're just repeating yourself.

Oh and I like the thread being here, it's from an FFX fans perspective, not just the people who click on the FFX-2 links (which I avoid because I got sick of hearing comlpaints about a game based on clothes).

I'm repeating my self and your not listening, I'm about to do some thing I've never done before:
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Originally posted by ZeZipster
Ok, I'm fine with the idea of them making more obscene characters. But guess what, they've taking it to far, you can't have some one who was portrayed as subtle and shy and then half naked in the sequel the change is to dramatic. They are selling her. They could have made an entirely nude shooter I wouldn't give a trout. The fact that they decided to take Yuna and change her to the EXACT opposite of what she was pisses me off. She went from a staff to two GUNS. WHAT? HOW THE HELL!? I never saw any dark magician or summoner in any game whip out two pistols and fire off rounds like their is no limit on ammo! NEVER.

I do have evidence. Three girls walking around changing cloths every battle. No male characters from all the previews I've seen. Although I'm fairly sure I wouldn't want to see in male characters in this one.
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I'm repeating my self repeating my self. To answer your question of course. You may enjoy the game, but when you go and rave about this game you can't help but feel the RPG loving gamer inside of you die a little bit, why? Because the game isn't an RPG, it's the foe of an RPG one that takes away many gamers and sends them in to an endless loop of action craving insanity. Sure it'll start off as just you buying the latest FF, then you'll begin to notice a craving for guns in games because you aren't seeing enough blood splatter in X-2, before you know it you'll be buying any game raved about by blood-starved action craving maniacs!

I feel the game will be a horrible RPG, maybe a good action game, but a horrible RPG. That's my opinion.

Looks like we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I'm not going to write everything I said again as somehow I doubt that repeating myself would actually make you take onboard some of the points I raised.

I see what you're saying, I don't think it makes sense and I don't agree.

I however don't see what you're saying, I see the words, but they have no meaning.

I'm going to just list points that have been made (that I remember because I'm not going to bother putting effort into repeating myself and others). If you seriously argue half of them I'll respect your arguement a bit.

1) FFX-2 is the first direct sequel to an FF. Why would square choose the only FF specifically targetted at people who are already fans and discount them to aim at a very small market.

2) Yuna has had her entire upbringing shown to be false, she has lost a lover and a guide, she has lost nearly all her previous fighting ability, she has been thrown into a completely new role in life, she no longer follows any of the things that her original way of life was based on, she's been training, she is undercover, it's two years later. Just why do you think she would be anything like she was in FFX?

3) Tidus was given a much harder to use weapon at the beginning of FFX, he learnt to use it in about five seconds. Why can't Yuna learn to use guns in two years? Bear in mind that I'm guessing the guns are machina and not something she was even allowed access to in FFX.

4) Barret, Vincent, Irvine, Laguna, Squall, and Seifer all wield guns of some kind, why is X-2 different? Again bear in mind that IX was set before guns were common, and X before they were allowed.

5) FFX involved in large part a very acrobatic sports game, VII a road rash style game, a snowboard game, and many many others, X-2 from what we've seen involves fancy attacks, why should this suddenly mean we're looking at a lesser RPG? They all have flashy attacks and moves.

6) We know very little about the game past the clothing, which to be honest most people probably won't care about, why does clothing mean bad gameplay? Actually look at Tifa, Selphie, and many others who wear revealling outfits, and to be honest they probs look much worse given the context etc.

1. Square isn't directing this game at past FFX fans, Prodigy has already established that.
[q=Prodigy]Squaresoft is a company who's primary objective is to make money. No matter what you might think or what you might want them to behave like they are primarily out there to gain money. They do this via having a large fanbase and by increasing it.[/q]

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[q=ZeZipster]People keep on saying that she's different because of her pilgrimage...? I don't care what happens in a persons life what they are taught from the day they exist to any point in time sticks with them, she has no logical reason to change, and yet she willingly wears cloths which are the EXACT opposite of what she was wearing before? Uh, yeah right. Even if Rikku was trying to convince her to come to the unfashionablecy-insane side I doubt she would. Who the hell would take fashion advice from a girl wearing a bikini and a scarf any ways? So maybe it's all because of a diguise, some disguise you can tell it's her.[/q]

3. You cannot pick-up a gun and in 2-years be able to flip and in mid-air fire of rounds with out messing up. Tidus never did any crowd-pleasing stupid-stunts.

4. Squall and Seifer had Gunblades.
[q=ZeZipster]They're not forced in your party Yuna is the main character, I never had to see Barret jump up in to the air do a flip and fire with out stopping and in the air, I use to think that required years and years of training but obvisoully Yuna fairly good at after she JUST transist to need to use guns. Also note that those people had been using guns their entire life they never just picked them up and their not using special sphere grids either...[/q]

5. ??? I don't understand.

6. I never said it did.
[q=ZeZipster]Ok, I'm fine with the idea of them making more obscene characters. But guess what, they've taking it to far, you can't have some one who was portrayed as subtle and shy and then half naked in the sequel the change is to dramatic. They are selling her. They could have made an entirely nude shooter I wouldn't give a trout. The fact that they decided to take Yuna and change her to the EXACT opposite of what she was pisses me off. She went from a staff to two GUNS. WHAT? HOW THE HELL!? I never saw any dark magician or summoner in any game whip out two pistols and fire off rounds like their is no limit on ammo! NEVER.
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The fact that they changed her for profit bugs me.

1) Of course Square is directing it at previous fans, it a sequel!!! The ONLY sequel!!! How many people do you think Square are gonna rely on to be attracted by flimsy outfits, now compare it to the number of FF fans.

2) Okay if you're willing to ignore everything I've said you're clearly gonna ignore anything further I can say so I'll leave it.

3) Again you ignored what I said, and yes Tidus did do flashy stunts, he does one in the first three minutes of fighting if I remember. If you don't call Blitz Ace flashy then...

4) Ah yes that sharp edge on the blades completely undermines what I was saying.

5) This was a response to your previous post.

6)You have no reason to think it's purely for profit, in fact I've now given multiple examples of why it isn't and why her being the same would be stupid.

I think that's for profit, it's sure. Listen up, almost every game companies are corrupting right now! Sincerely, why people don't see that!!! Many people told me that Square is in evolution, that's not evolution! It's like if you would see some band like Cynic making pop music! This is a nonsense! Nobody evolute (good word ?!?) when they change their style to follow the others!

The most troutty thing that proves it is he clothing of course! A game like final fantasy is supposed to be deep. There's no place for sex in it! please! And what disturb me the most, it's that a lot of people just accept it! Ok! fine! That way Square will become more and more commercial an we will end up to play a Quake game or something like that.

All the games today sucks! In five years, absolutely no game except FFX got me! All the games are just too much "candy".

I don't want to flame anybody, but admit it! Gaming today is far from it was before, and we DON'T have to accept it.

No offense but English isn't your first language is it?

I hear what you're saying but I think you're wrong.

There are loads of good games out today. Kingdom Hearts and Vice City on the PS2, Zelda WW and Metroid Prime on the Gamecube, C&C Generals and the upcoming HL2 & Doom 3 on the PC - to name but a few.

Games companies have NEVER been out there to be your friend, to make you happy or to make games that you will enjoy. Well, not directly anyway. They have ALWAYS been out to make money. They do this by creating games they think lots of people will buy,enjoy and then buy sequels to/buy other games from the company. That's a simple outline of how it works (ignoring early MUD designers and things like that, they're different...)

If they think it takes modern manufactured pop music to sell a game then hell it's going to be in there. It's evolution. Evolving to meet their financial requirements to survive as a company.

Square are expanding. Have you seen Final Flight of the Osiris? Fantastic CGI work. Even better than the FF movie.

Why did a games company make a movie? Simple: profit (although they probably lost money with this...failed venture).

Final Fantasy games can still be deep even if there's a strong sexual feel to the game. FF7 had some VERY risque moments in (HoneyBee Inn anyone!!?). Tifa was clearly there for her Lara Croft style assets.

It's the true Japanese way of life. Personally I like it, some people would rather they stick to dragons and red mages though.

Yeah, english isn't my 1st language :D . I understand what you said about the games companies, they are there to make money. But, I think that a company that's respecting itself shouldn't show it, I mean, listen to pop bands, even if we all know they doing it for money, they never showing it. But anyway, a game should be a piece of art. Even if it's not, it should be. Maybe I sound like an idiot, but I will never accept that games are done to be sell and nothing else.