Aeris: The New Question

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Your right, the death of Tifa would not have had the same effect on gamers as the death of Aeris did.

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her sacrifice wouldnt have amounted to much. she wasnt the sole survivor of a extinct race of people and didnt have the means to save the planet like Aeris did. Aeris was alone in the fact that she was the only one who could have pulled off the same 'sacrifice everything to save everything'. she was merely the childhood friend of Cloud. sure, her clothing made me think slut, but her feelings for others and her love for cloud were pure. she wasnt meant to die, she was meant to be the team's supporter.

Aeris was a cetra, she had the holy materia passed down from her mother, and she knew what to do with it and probably accepted the fact that she was gonna die to save everyone she cared for. maybe she NEEDED to die in order for holy to work.

before i get a stoning from Aeris lovers, didnt bugenhagen (sp?) talk about someone's prayers needed to reach the planet in order for holy to work (the materia was glowing, so we know it was trying to work) but sephy was preventing it. would her prayers have been answered sooner, like before sephy could summon meteor if she wasnt killed at the altar? i think she had to die for the prayers to be answered.

yet, in the end, it wasnt holy that saved the planet. it was the lifestream, and you see Aeris in the lifestream, as if she was meant to die at the altar and, as a final wish before going to her Promised Land, she had the lifestream to do the dirty work against meteor.

ahhh.. im so befuddled :rolleyes2

(SPOILER)Shadow had supported the team in 6 had he not sacrificed they all would have died.

(SPOILER)Shadow never fully dies. You can get him again in the World Of Ruin. If your desperate to know, ask and I will tell.

Okay, I ask.

To get (SPOILER)shadow again
At the end of the Floating Continent, when (SPOILER)shadow stays behind to help you escape, wait until the clock says 0.05. He will then come, but you will lose him again at the start of the World Of Ruin, however, wager the Striker at the Colossium and you will fight him. Win the battle and win him back

I admit it I cried my heart out when aeris died in the game I had made sure that no one could tell me I refused to watch the adverts on TV untill I got it (they contained a spoiler the FMV where cloud "buries" Aeris in the water is shown) then played an played but I wasn't really built up then and she died that %)$%^%^&%^&%& Sephiroth killed her it was shocking and the tears continued in to the jenova fight because the music didn't change. but what really made me cry was that the entire story up til then had heavily featured the love of Cloud and Aeris and there wasn't any final words between them before the fight it was total devastation.

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Originally posted by Caltrap
(SPOILER)Shadow never fully dies. You can get him again in the World Of Ruin. If your desperate to know, ask and I will tell.

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Uhhhhh..... just watch the ending....

Obviously (SPOILER)shadow EVENTUALLY dies, but when he dies WITHIN the game you can get him back

I think Aeris knew what was going to happen to her. Even if the evidence is sketchy it makes it easier to accept. Nothing is more depressing than a meaningless death.

BTW, shouldn't this stuff about getting (SPOILER)Shadow be on a FFVI thread? ;)

You should probably make a thread in the FFVI forum if you wanna talk about it anymore, but please try and remember to mark spoilers. People in this thread might know about what happens in FFVII but not FFVI, and I for one haven't finished FFVI yet and don't want to find out too much about it.

Just put [ spoiler] before your spoiler and [/ spoiler] after it, next time (without spaces). Thanks. ^^

it's not really much of a spoiler that (FFVI SPOILER)shadow dies - nowhere near as much as it is for, say, (FFVII SPOILER)aeris or (FFV SPOILER)galuf, but fair enough :p

but basically, if you don't (FFVI SPOILER)wait for him on the floating continent then you won't see him in the second half of the game at all.

Might as well keep all the FFVI talk in another thread or a PM.

I'll just give some of my opinions, and I did read your first post, but not all the others.

Aeris' death happened for a reason, and if it was other way, I wouldn't like the game as much as I do. Sure I was sad when I first played through it because I hadn't been spoiled, but it must be done. I think Aeris knew her time was up, maybe even since the beginning if you recall the opening movie, but that's just mere speculation.

Aeris' death was for many reasons. I like some of your theories, and I agree with them. At that moment in the story, the game had truly claimed Sephiroth as the real and main villain in the game, other than your recurrent run-ins with ShinRa-Corp Employees and the such. Aeris dying to save the planet and all that stuff, yes I could go with that as possibly it was the only way her Holy Materia to be activated for later, as she said she didn't know how to use it and it was useless at Sector 5 with Cloud. The game I believe was also at a point were things were building up, and something big had to happen, and it did and whether some gamers like it or not, it fitted well, and gave the player reason to continue on with the game in pursuit of Sephiroth.

Perhaps, a reason, besides others already given in this thread, she seemed prepared for her death, even though she seemed to love Cloud, was that she did not want to see the pain and suffering if Cloud were to have to come to a decision between her or Tifa. Tifa and her were friends, she may not have wanted that jealousy to happen, so she was being selfless, but I don't know. Just thoughts in my head.

As for the Cait Sith-Aeris relations. I think that Cait Sith's first fall could have been a bit of foreshadowing. The Temple of the Ancients sure left an eerie feeling on me playing through it and until the end, and I'm sure on other gamers too. Something was going to happen, and when Cait Sith sort of had an epiphany or inspirational moment as actually doing something for the group, it could have foreshadowed feelings Aeris might have had when she died. Though the controller of Cait Sith never dies, and another comes back, you could make a few connections there.

I believe the Jenova Cells within Cloud had something to do with it, but I don't believe that was all the significance of it. Cloud was going through a struggle during this time to actually find himself, and its more illustrated on Disc 2. Possibly the pursuit of Sephiroth during Disc 1 and the beginning of Disc 2 could be related to strictly Jenova Cells. After Cloud's Mako Poisoning, and struggle to find himself in the lifestream, he finds himself finally, and comes up with real reasons for what he's fighting for.

That's all I could spruce up from my brain for now, but it was fun. Nice thread Calt, I always love a good FF7 discussion.