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All this "That kid's cool now!" stuff is rather disgusting. If they really did have sex, then the woman is some kind of deranged child molester, and the kid is a victim of abuse. What effect is all that going to have on that boy? God only knows how screwed up he's going to be. What if they'd produced a child together?
it may be disgusting, but its the truth. i do imagine he is gonna be pretty popular with lots of people also i dont consider her to be a child molester. it might be disgusting and wrong, but if they were both consenting than i dont consider her a "child molester" unfortunately, we have these stupid laws which make her a statuatory rapist and now her life is ruined becuase she had sex with a CONSENTING child. sorry, but i jsut think that is wrong wrong wrong...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Unne
OK, I'm gonna go convince a 6-year-old to give me his bike, then I'll sell it on ebay. After all, if he consents, it's OK.
Fortunately the law protects minors. A minor is unable to give consent for certain things.
speaking as a former 14 year old boy with the labedo of an randy porn star i can honestly say i would of loved to get squishy with my 23 year old teacher.
"OK, I'm gonna go convince a 6-year-old to give me his bike, then I'll sell it on ebay. After all, if he consents, it's OK.
Fortunately the law protects minors. A minor is unable to give consent for certain things."
there is a slight difference between a six year old, and a fourteen year old.
Not according to the law.
Well, you two seem to be taking different definitions of "consent". It's true in America that people who are underage don't have a right to give their consent to much of anything. But a 14-year old is better informed than a six-year old. The 14-year old boy knew what he was doing, and he and the teacher both knew it was illegal. What I believe nik0tine is saying (correct me if I'm wrong) is that he wanted to have sex with his teacher. She didn't force him into it. And, the article wasn't exactly in-depth. We don't know who started the relationship, if it even happened.
I can trade a toddler a nice piece of candy for his bike. I bet the toddler might even WANT the candy. Candy is nice after all. Fact is that what the child wants is irrelevant; that's the whole point of the law. Children are too ignorant to know what they want. Teenagers are less ignorant than 6-year-olds, but they are as uncapable of consent as a toddler according to the law. They are NOT adults. They are half-berserk with hormones anyways. They are often unable to fully understand the consequences of their actions. The 14-year-old probably did WANT to have sex, because he was too ignorant to see how completely wrong it was to do it. It doesn't matter who started the relationship; the consent of the adult was necessary, and if a 14-year-old is propositioning an adult, it's up to the adult to say no. Does a 14-year-old understand what it means to be a parent? Does a 14-year-old understand that having sex can kill you? Does a 14-year-old understand the emotional baggage that comes along with sex, or SHOULD come along? Maybe a few 14-year-olds do; enough don't that it's a good thing to create a law to protect them.
Yes, I do understand that, and I happen to agree. My sister-in-law has a two year old (she's 16 now) and honestly it hasn't made her grow up much. I was just making the points that you didn't seem to understand what nik0tine was saying, and that nobody really knows if the teacher really did have sex with her student. I believe very strongly in "innocent until proven guilty". But speaking in hypothetical terms (ie the kid isn't just telling stories to get the attention), either way the teacher is guilty, but not completely at fault. If she came on to him, he also had the chance to say no. Now imagine if the situation was reversed though. What if it was a male 23-year old teacher that came on a 14-year old female student? Where a 14-year old boy gets a "cool" reputation, a 14-year old girl would end up with the reputation of being a slut. Or she would have to say that the teacher forced himself on her, which would make him a rapist.
Where a 14-year old boy gets a "cool" reputation, a 14-year old girl would end up with the reputation of being a slut. Or she would have to say that the teacher forced himself on her, which would make him a rapist.
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the teacher is still a rapist even if she is a girl. i dont agree with statutory rape laws, i think we should protect kids from child molesters and the like, but statuatory rape laws dont do that, in my opinion.
and unne, i think you give children, both young and old, far less credit than they deserve.
"I can trade a toddler a nice piece of candy for his bike. I bet the toddler might even WANT the candy. Candy is nice after all. Fact is that what the child wants is irrelevant; that's the whole point of the law. Children are too ignorant to know what they want. Teenagers are less ignorant than 6-year-olds, but they are as uncapable of consent as a toddler according to the law. They are NOT adults. They are half-berserk with hormones anyways. They are often unable to fully understand the consequences of their actions. The 14-year-old probably did WANT to have sex, because he was too ignorant to see how completely wrong it was to do it. It doesn't matter who started the relationship; the consent of the adult was necessary, and if a 14-year-old is propositioning an adult, it's up to the adult to say no. Does a 14-year-old understand what it means to be a parent? Does a 14-year-old understand that having sex can kill you? Does a 14-year-old understand the emotional baggage that comes along with sex, or SHOULD come along? Maybe a few 14-year-olds do; enough don't that it's a good thing to create a law to protect them."
first, i dont beleive any six year old is stupid enough to trade his or her bike for candy.
does a fourteen year old understand what it means to be a parent? no. do you understand what it means to be a parent? unless you are or ahve been a parent the answer is no. i think taht is completely irrelevant.
does a 14 year old understand that sex can kill you? yes. everybody these days knows about STD's and the like, and for good reason.
does a 14 year old understand the emotional baggage that comes along with sex...?
some do some dont, and for many it wont matter, but whether or not it does matter they will get over it. i dont think sex will destroy many peoples lives unless its a rape or something.
Aw man. This is the second forum I've seen this link on, and I saw similar comments about it.
Sad isn't it? :(Quote:
Where a 14-year old boy gets a "cool" reputation, a 14-year old girl would end up with the reputation of being a slut. Or she would have to say that the teacher forced himself on her, which would make him a rapist.
...she kinda turned herself in...Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeza
That still doesn't mean that she's guilty. If you knew that you were going to be arrested for something, even if you're innocent, turning yourself in instead of waiting for them to come and get you will work in your favour when you end up in court. She could be guilty, but just because she turned herself in doesn't mean that she is.
you know, she's 23. That's not very old, is it? many people still aren't mature at that age. who knows-she might be a 14 year-old living in a 23 year-old body. I wouldn't make my judgement based on the ages.
although, being around that age myself, i do agree that most of the people my age, especially guys, are just walking talking raging hormones.
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its this sort of arrogant sounding, dertiministic, ageist, stuff that annoys me. i think most 14 year olds can understand the implications of sex, so as long as they consent its fine. its only a sexual assult if one of the two things above is missing, unless there still a child (ie below 13) and a teenager. because as a teenager u are quite able 2 make your own descions. to imply that they are still children or to imply that because your an adult u can automaticalry make desicions better then a teenager is just naive. this teacher should only get the sack 4 breaking teacher ethics, not unapprioprate jail time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Unne
the law should understand the difference between a consenting relationship and sexual assult and rape.
ok maybe i went a bit overboard over Unne,s comment. but i do think it was a bit too insulting to teenagers intellegence. serious question: are you like in your thirtys and cant remember being a teenager?