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I don't mind getting searched once, because I do indeed look suspicious. One thorough search is completly acceptable, because hey, if it can give everyone else a little peace of mind and maybe make them safer, I'm all for it. Three times, however, is uncalled for.
the machines in the UK dont work, they just bleep at random people and they search you :choc:
I heard going to the US is like, hell. If you're Asian or even remotely Iraqi-looking, you hafta be searched so thoroughly. Everyone was really annoyed by it.
But, it's ridiculous! They can't just arrest people because of their looks! :(
Who are you to decide that? Is your, or anyone else's inconvenience REALLY too much to ask for, to save lives? I should hope not.Quote:
Three times, however, is uncalled for.
EVERYONE gets, or at least should get searched, and their baggage checked. Or else, you'd be looking at a second 911.Quote:
If you're Asian or even remotely Iraqi-looking, you hafta be searched so thoroughly. Everyone was really annoyed by it.
I say again - there's no price high enough to save and protect lives, certainly not the price of people's precious few hours and inconvenience caused by the OMG BODY SEARCHES!!!
My uncle is a border patrol guy. Actualy i just got back from visiting him yesterday. [strike]I don't know how this could have happened[/strike] I doubt this is a valid story. There is no way a terrorist deportation would get past a superior and definitly no way it could have happened with valid documents. Unless you friend was a 4140 (Thats border talk for someone thats a little off balance 41/40 :D ) And was wasted/had a mental condition/didn't know what he was doing. And then he would only get shipped to mexico. You don't get sent to Iraq for looking middle eastern. Your friend messed up. And hey, maybe it was my Uncle that sent him xD
They don't let any stoned loser guard the boarder. These guys go through alot of training and most of them have had years and years of practice. They wouldn't have sent this guy to Iraq without double checking. I know it was his fault not theirs.
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Originally Posted by War Angel
Too bad that "price" is used to nail the jelly in the wall, with a sledgehammer and a toothpick.
I would quote that "Those who would sacrifice their liberty for safety deserve neither" by ol' Ben, but I'm sure you've heard it a thousand times already. And I can't recall it verbatim. :cry:
Besides, this is giving into fear, this is terror. This is what the terrorists want, are you on the side of terrorists? Why do you hate freedom?
But its not SAVING lives...its taking them. They're arresting people and taking away chunks of their lives by locking them up because they have something that makes them a "suspected terrorist".Quote:
Originally Posted by War Angel
I have an aunt from Iran, and her parents' house has been searched several times without any sort of warrant for permission, and her brother has been confronted by various authority figures several times. Its rediculous. I remember hearing about 2 Arab guys walking down the street in Florida just getting arrested with no reason whatsoever. Then in mere minutes the news quit talking about it. Thats the one time I heard about it though. I remember when I flew to Chicago they seached me up and down about 5 times. They made me open my luggage, take off my shoes, and belt, and jacket, put it all through this x-ray machine, then they ran the little metal detector over me, then I walked through about three big dooway type ones, then they felt me down, and hand checked all my stuff, then I had to wait about 10 minutes while they were consulting with each other, and then they finally let me in. Its so rediculous...I mean I do have facial hair, but sheesh. :confused:
What liberty am I sacrificing here, exactly? I just have to wait longer at the air-port, and go through searches and stuff. Yes, it's not much fun, but it certainly doesn't harm me, and certainly not a price that's too high for my protection. At least, I value my life more highly than that mere inconvenience is costing me.Quote:
I would quote that "Those who would sacrifice their liberty for safety deserve neither" by ol' Ben, but I'm sure you've heard it a thousand times already. And I can't recall it verbatim.
No, it's counter-measures, not terror. They're not preventing you from flying, or scaring the crap out of you. They just do certain mildly unpleasant things, to assure your safety, and others' as well.Quote:
Besides, this is giving into fear, this is terror.
Haven't heard of that, let alone seen any proof of such things happening. Frankly, if someone is a terrorist, I'd very much like to see them removed from their surroundings, and ship them to far-off places, or eliminate them (after a trial, of-course). Don't try to make me believe, a goverment would spend so much money, to send some random guy to the other end of the world, spend money on his empriosnment, without solid proof. For the goverment, that's a complete waste, nevermind the actual fiendishness of such an act.Quote:
But its not SAVING lives...its taking them. They're arresting people and taking away chunks of their lives by locking them up because they have something that makes them a "suspected terrorist".
I'm a bright-eyed, fair-haired Israeli, and I go through that every single time I'm at the air-port, here. And that, even though the chances of someone like me being a terrorist are ZERO. But, it has to be done to everyone, otherwise it's un-just and discriminating.Quote:
I remember when I flew to Chicago they seached me up and down about 5 times. They made me open my luggage, take off my shoes, and belt, and jacket, put it all through this x-ray machine, then they ran the little metal detector over me, then I walked through about three big dooway type ones, then they felt me down, and hand checked all my stuff, then I had to wait about 10 minutes while they were consulting with each other, and then they finally let me in. Its so rediculous...I mean I do have facial hair, but sheesh.
On the whole, if you disagree with air-port security regulations, I guess you haven't learned the lesson 911 taught you.
The point here is that it's racial profiling, which is illegal.
Get over yourself. I already said I didnt mind being searched. The fact that they had to search me three times was quite obviously ridiculous. It shows they either a) don't communicate with eachother, which could mean a terrible hole in their security or b) they just enjoyed messing with me because of how I was dressed.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Angel
Why didnt they search anyone else at my terminal? Why just me? And why did they have to make a spectacle of me when they did it? Because I was the only one who looked suspicious? That's bull.
I wouldnt have minded a recheck. That's fine. But after they did the same thorough check they did at the security checkpoint and left me alone, another one came and did it again. Like they were goading me into yelling at them or something. It was all highly uncalled for.
Yet another reason not to live here. If you even look like a terrorist you get screwed by the government.
My inconvieniance will not save lives. If we lax up on airport security nor, do you have any idea what will happen? The exact same things that went on prior to 9/11. absolutely NOTHING. Extra security is a joke. If someone wanted to make a terrorist strike against this nation there is not a single thing the governemnt or the police could do about it. ever. It's 100% out of their control, and it always will be.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Angel
I have had that happen to me before. It's easiest to just be polite and ignore them. I've had the immigration guys at the airport do it, of all people. Now the vice principal out my school has taken it upon herself to do it. and we wonder why some kids are so violent and rebellious? What a joke people are. really. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by TheAbominatrix
I however can, and will, because i have nothing better to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nait
"Those who would sacrifice essential liberty, for only a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Oh I don't react to them. I'm always polite, because they could just be doing their jobs, regardless of whether they are or not, I wont give them the satisfaction of blowing up at them. That'd only make me wind up detained no doubt, and I wanted to get home.
Those are the only problems I can see here. They should check everyone, 'cause a bomb can be carried by the least likely of people. They should also treat their job with respect, and perform it with dignity. Searching someone at the air-port should not be a humiliating act, or a degrading one.Quote:
Why didnt they search anyone else at my terminal? Why just me? And why did they have to make a spectacle of me when they did it? Because I was the only one who looked suspicious?
And you're 100% wrong. That's a fatalistic and wrong view on the matter. Security DOES make a difference, and can prevent catastrophes, and has proven so time and again. Now, let's suppose for a moment (a brief one, because this is absurd) that security doesn't help - what will? Or do you suppose we do nothing, and just count on the goodness of the terrorists for our protections and safety?Quote:
Extra security is a joke. If someone wanted to make a terrorist strike against this nation there is not a single thing the governemnt or the police could do about it. ever. It's 100% out of their control, and it always will be.
I'd like to see you live somewhere where people get killed, 'cause the goverment doesn't care.Quote:
Yet another reason not to live here. If you even look like a terrorist you get screwed by the government.
You don't see a problem with them searching the same person three times? If I didnt have a weapon the first time, I didnt have a weapon the second time, why would I have one a third time? The first and second, fine. I came in. I was searched at the checkpoint. I went from the security checkpoint, said goodbye to my friend, went to the bathroom, and went to the terminal. I was searched again. Fine. I went back to my seat, sat down and proceeded to return to chatting on my phone with Mandee (Shlup). Then I was searched again. That's ridiculous.