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Originally Posted by beatrix9
neways. can some1 tell me when exactly the first time you hear about the crystal is?that would help, thanx
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tell ur sister thanx lol. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by beatrix9
neways. can some1 tell me when exactly the first time you hear about the crystal is?that would help, thanx
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Originally Posted by Lon611
Anyway the first time you hear about the crystal is in the 4th disc and particularly in Memoria.
exactly. there's no motive for you to follow kuja if you don't find about about the crystal until the 4th disk. unles im 4geting somethin. ne1 remember whats the motivation to go into memoria. is it stop the mist?
Something like this.When you get out of Terra in the end of disc 3 there is a conversation about it in the airship which ends if i remember correctly with Zidane saying"Kuja what are you planning now?"seeing the mist covering the whole world.And then they're going to Iifa Tree-Memoria to find out about it and then it's when the crystal appears.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lon611
I'm sorry, I forgot that you didn't learn about the crystal until you're in Memoria.
Yeah, the purpose is most likely to stop the mist. Been awhile since I played.
The purpose for them going into Memoria was to stop Kuja, who they assumed had caused the Iifa tree to start up and create obsene amounts of mist.
When they finally get into Memoria, that's when Garland clues Zidane in about what Kuja plans on doing and what the crystal is.
As for the Iifa tree's "violent reaction," it's what happens after the party is teleported away from their fight with Necron. When the thing is completely bugging out and the roots are actually ripping out of the ground and flying around like whips. That's what the violent reaction is, but there isn't anything that actually indicates what causes it. For that matter, there's nothing indicating why the Iifa tree started making mist again. I would assume that Kuja somehow got the Iifa tree to make mist again, and when Kuja was defeated, that's what caused the tree to throw a fit.
thank you American Badass. but im still confused about the assimilation of terra and gaia. you never actually stop the assimilation do you?kuja does, bcuz he destroys terra?or is the assimilation stropped bcuz the iifa tree had it's violent reaction?or is it stopped?
If FFIX's Online Ultimania was still up and running, I might be able to answer that question. As is, we don't know whether Kuja actually destroyed all of Terra or not, so there are a few scenarios.
1. Kuja did in fact destroy all of Terra. In this case, assimilation would stop because there was nothing left of Terra to assimilate into Gaia. The only thing that would be left behind would be the structures already assimilated into Gai.
2. Kuja only destroyed Bran Bal. In this case the assimilation of Terra and Gaia would continue despite the Iifa tree stopping and despite you beating Kuja. However, since the Iifa tree presumably stopped doing its function, the souls of the deceased Gaians would be able to travel back to the crystal according to the normal cycle of Gaian life.
The assimilation could not be stopped, according to kuja. but when kuja went mad and destroyed bran bal, there was nothing there to assimilate with. so he went to the crystal to destroy the source of all life. something necron had been plotting since his existence, (kuja was essentially necrons bitch though he didnt know it at the time, and when the group killed kuja, necron couldnt let them live coz they knew about the crystal and therefore, they would try to stop him in his future plan to destroy it. it was easier for him to just kill them then and there.)
when the group killed necron, there was no threat to the crystal or to life itself, so life went on. I have worked this out but its been awhile since i first did it so that might not actually be it. i may have made some mistakes there but the theory i originally had was something like that (if not that) and it made sense
well, i thought that when Kuja destroyed bran bal and all that lot, Terra was pretty much defeated? besides, with Garland gone, theres no-one for the terra peoples to be woken by :D and yes i know, thats basic logic
Necron didn't want to destroy the crystal, Necron was there to end life once the meaning of life became understood. Necron was the guardian of the crystal that was vaguely hinted at a couple times. When Kuja tried to destroy all life in his fit for revenge because of the meaning for his creation, Necron thought he had discovered the meaning to live: to die. Zidane challenged that view and fought Necron. He didn't destroy Necron, as Necron will always live as long as the crytsal exists (though because all memories and life go back to the crystal, you could argue that nobody ever truly dies), but Zidane's will to live showed Necron that he was wrong.
At least that's my interpretation of that whole deal.
As for the assimilation of Terra and Gaia, I also got the impression that Kuja wasted Terra.
bingo
Regarding the point about Freya someone mentioned, I remember playing this game at about the same time Harold Bishop returned to the oz soap "Neighbours" (yes I was lame enough to watch it at the time) and it was like a parallel story between Freya/Wotshisname and Madge/Harold, almost exactly the same... lost for years, the guy lost his memory but by chance fell in love again etc. Ever since then I've imagined Freya's voice as that of Madge :D
I have the same problem, I can barely remeber playing it at all.
I don't think so, don't forget, they travell true Memoria to get to Kuja, who's going to destroy the Chrystal. And the first time the Mist disapeared was when they defeated that creature in the Iifa Tree. So, maybe is this an idea:Quote:
Originally Posted by lockeIX
the chrystal keeps all memories from people, yeah, we agree on that. what about that memoria is nothing else then the memories from Zidane. I think that makes sense, yes. So what if it is nothing else then that Zidane is in the Chrystal fighting his memories. He discoveres how important they are to him (with the help of Garland) and wants to prevent Kuja from destroying the Chrystal.
Then the matter of Freya and her lover. He lost his memory, yeah?? What about that it has a linking to the Chrystal. Maybe he was that close to death, that his memories were already taken away. But because he lived, he doesn't remember anything.
Necron is up next. We have seen various enemies troughout the FF-series who absorbed HP and MP, what about that indeed Necron is the Guardian of the Chrystal, but instead op HP or MP he absorbes memories, leaving the people to forget things. And indeed as long as the Chrystal excist he does excist. Something like......a memory?
The destruction of Gaia. I don't think Gaia was ever destructed. I find it hard to believe that one guy, with a few shots of Ultima can destroy an entire planet without help from something else. Don't forget only the structures colided. Zidane and his friends escaped in time to not be crushed by pieces of the structures. The reason that Gaia didn't merge with Terra was that it in my eyes was needed that someone took care of it, there were three peoples who could do that:
Zidane, who didn't want to
Kuja, who's get mad and doesn't do a thing
Garland, who died
So without help to merge Gaia didn't merge in to Terra, but the planet still excist.
Then something else about the summoners-tribe. I have an interesting idea about it. Why did Gaia (in the name of Kuja and Garland) ever attacked this tribe. Why do they want the summons? Easy the summoners were once habbitants of Gaia. In my opinion one day the moved to Terra. When Garland (cause he's old enough) found out what a pleasent place Terra was to live on he want to merge Gaia with Terra. Only he knows that the peacefull summoners wouldn't let that happen. So he sends out that spacship and destroys the summonerstribe. But Garnet and her mother escaped as well as Eiko and her grandfather. Once Garland found out that Garnet was still alive he send out Kuja to capture her. Kuja failed so he send out Zidane, but when Zidane came in to sight, suddenly Kuja wants to complete his job. So he steals the summons, but Garland takes this as an offence and punishes Kuja when Kuja tries to steal Alexander. The stealing failed as well as the stealing of Eiko's summons, thanks to Mog. But why do they want the summons? Because with the summons they can easily destroy everyone on Terra, with that out of the way Gaia can easily merge with Terra.
The last thing I want to say is about the kids of Vivi. Kuja produced them with the help of Mist to destroy the Kingdoms, and he tries to advance them. You notice by Type A, Type B etc. The Black Waltz were made only once to protect the types. What if Vivi was a proto-type of the newest Black Mage, only when the transported him he felt of the ship and because they didn't knew if he would work, they did build more. But when Kuja was defeated and everyone lived in peace. Zidane and his friends knew that "prototype" Vivi worked so that they made more of him.
Ok, these or my thoughts about some things. Please don't give me a hit if my spelling isn't correct (I'm still Dutch :p), maybe it's to long and annoying, but I just want to say my thoughts on this