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I just wish that the square market was like 5 years (and below) ago, today Square is spitting out games like Star Ocean, FFX-2, FFVII-Dirge Of Cerebus, and some other enix titles. But before the market was, Final Fantasy, Chrono Trigger, Xenogears, The Manna series, etc. The titles being spilled out were 10x better than what is being spilled out now. :cry:
Star Ocean has been around for quite some time. And FF is still in control of the market. The Xeno series is still going strong. I dont see the problem. If it's a quality issue, then just continue to play the old ones. I dont see a lack of quality in the new ones, I just see people clinging to the 'golden age' instead of getting over it and making due with what's happening now.
The xeno series aint square no more. :mad:
It never was 'Square'. It was liscensed by Square, they didnt create it.
I wouldn't go that far with Xenogears Abo(thats you new nickname from me). Square had a lot of in house people working on the project. From senerio designers to the composer and artists. They not only liscensed it but also contributed the money and personel to make it on multiple levels. I would say it was more in house than out of house development.
Someone correct me if I am wrong on any of this.
I wouldnt doubt it, ed. I'm only saying what I've hard, I have little knowledge on Xenogears.
I'm tired of these threads.
I'm REALLY tired of these threads.
People, Squaresoft is a VIDEO GAME COMPANY. They make GAMES. GAMES. You guys are talking about this like it really matters terribly. We've got MUCH bigger issues at stake than whether or not Square's next game isn't moody enough for you or has too much j-pop. If Squenix has lost their touch, it's not going to heavily impact your life. If this really IS that important to you, you need to re-prioritize. In keeping with my own advice, I will not respond to any more of these threads simply because they annoy me that much.
Again, that's a fallacy of speech, this is just an opinion, no more, no less. How can you say "The titles being spilled out were 10x better than what is being spilled out now," that's complete nonsense, who are you to judge the quality of the games now and then beside for yourself? You say they're "better" but that's a total misplacement of words, get into the habit of saying "I don't like them as much" because that's what's really going on regardless of what you write.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cisco
I don't know if I'd go that far. If Square actually 'lost their touch' it would heavily impact my life. Sqaure is a big deal in my life, and has been since I was 7 years old. I know, however, that Square will not 'lose their touch' so to speak unless they go out of business and do not make games at all. In this case, my life would be very negatively affected.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJzen
hmmm.....i love the chrono games dearly. chrono trigger was great and in my, much disputed, opinion; chrono cross was even better. I was immensely impressed by FFVII, immensely let down by FFVIII, and BLOWN AWAY, COMPLETELY LEFT IN AWE OF THE MASTERPIECE IN GAMING THAT WAS FFIX!!
X, in my opinion, started off great. but im starting to suffer from the same thing i did when playing VIII. When i was playing IX, i was itching when i was away from my PS1, and was intensely emotionally attatched to the characters and the story. But playing VIII, and now X, i started to debate wether or not i cared what happened next. I just didnt get into VIII's story and while i did get into Xs story, i have lost intrest rapidly.
Vagrant Story i thought was okay, not great but not terrible,
Xenogears, never played it but i will soon. its been on my list for years
Ehrgiez, personally i thought it sucked. i didnt see the point in it
Parasite eve and PE2, nah. didnt like them either
my point in all this is, every company no matter what they make will go through dry patches. on a whole i think square have managed to stave off these dry patches but if god forbid, they get struck by one....so what?? they're only gonna bounce back again. Not only are square great at making games but they're great at making crap ideas great games. i mean, i nearly choked when i heard about kingdom hearts. DISNEY??!?! HOW DARE THOSE DISNEY FREAKS INFILTRATE MY SQUARESOFT!!! but, then i played it. it shouldnt have worked, there was no way it could have worked, but it did.
square make good games. occasionally they make GREAT games.
and like anyone, they also make their fare share of stinkers. either way, they're gonna be around for awhile, coz as much as certain ppl moan about games that havent been released yet, (FFXII, DOC) the fact is we're square freaks and we're gonna buy them anyway
thats just my opinion, take it how you want
I think during the murger which started during ff9 square went down hill, along with alot of its game qualities. Sure there all out to make a profit but it used to have a genuine passion for making the games too which seems to be lost now...
The merger did not start during FFIX.
Honestly, I don't think he meant that this was fact. Generally, people will post in threads offering their opinions, it's understood. You don't have to throw out, "I think..." every time you state an opinion. You're the one who percieves it as a fact. It doesn't sound like he's going to fight this to the death, insisting that it's absolutely true. You really shouldn't rag on him about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Necronopticous
He said that the games WERE 10 times better than as opposed to now, that's not an opinion. He also used a game as an example for "now" which is totally esoteric at best. How can he possibly say that the games were 10 times better before (which is already a fallacy) and use a game he's not played, or even seen or heard much of, for an example? I'm not ragging on him any more than he is ragging on Square, and I'm not the type of person to just sit around when someone is unfairly criticizing something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaphier
OCC:Get a life, it was obviously based on an opinion. He is allowed to criticize anything he wants to, he has that right. He is allowed to have an opinion of what he sees, hears about, and experiences - you have no right to take that away from him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Necronopticous
I think Square-Enix had more of an appeal as Squaresoft back in the days, but no doubt I still like their games they are releasing here now. If it wern't for the merger I don't think they would have started producing the FF7 sequals and prequal, to be honest.
[q=Necronopticous]He said that the games WERE 10 times better than as opposed to now...[/q]
It is a fact, to him. That's basically what an opinion is, an individual fact, but just because he demands something to be like that, it doesn't mean you have to believe it too.
I can see how the merge can work out, though. I mean, Enix wasn't a bad company before. They made great games like Dragon Quest (which I haven't actually played, but I've heard good things) and Actraiser. Still though, I like Squaresoft more than I did Enix, so it kinda' broke my heart (not really, but...you know what I mean, right?).