Umn, you only warned about SH2 spoilers in the title, maybe you should mark the SH3/4 ones?
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Umn, you only warned about SH2 spoilers in the title, maybe you should mark the SH3/4 ones?
Ooops...sorry. Got caught up in the moment.
What to discuss now....?
Speaking of 2 and 4 connections.
In the bar in 2, theres graffiti on the wall that says "There was a HOLE here, but now it's gone"
Hole? As in Henry's hole?
I thought that too...
The hole is what the owner of Neely's bar saw, it was his personal hell.
Which makes me think, maybe when Samael was summoned to Silent Hill, even partially, maybe all the inhabitants were drawn into Dark Silent Hill and all the inhabitants of the town no longer exist, so maybe what I said earlier about Laura seeing a perfectly normal town is wrong.
The town does exist in another dimension, but all the inhabitants were pulled in and no longer exist.
While James does have the ability to sort of see into other people's hells, he couldn't see the hole that the owner of Neely's bar did, but he certainly sees plenty of his own. Think about the physics defying hole in the prison? The one in the floor that lands you further up, or when James jumps into his own grave.
Also, remember the grave stones? There were four of them, James Sunderland, Eddie's, Angela's and Walter Sullivan.
There is a link to Henry's holes, but they're different, since Henry's holes are a link from him to another dimension but then...
(SPOILER)You can assume that the first time Henry visit's each world is the "Light world", really, at least compared to the second time he visits and everything just turns to heck and can be considered the Dark World. I think that when Henry enters a hole, Walter sends him to the dimension that each of the four new sacraments enters, like Cynthia entered the subway as normal, but in doing so entered Walter's domain instead of the real subway station. Henry is there to witness Walter's deeds and Walter's pain, hence why he's referred to as the "Wisdom" sacrament, the final sacrament to bind them all after viewing the death and undeath of all the others.
And about Silent Hill 3 and James..
(SPOILER)Remeber that Detective guy? I forget his name, but he said he was working on lots of cases about Silent Hill, but there was one, a missing person's case he could never solve. James, don't you think?
But yeah, Silent Hill calls upon all the past games and binds them together, possibly providing an answer to a few questions.
This is how I interpret it: James killed Mary, but he was seized with guilt on such a great level, that his mind told him she died three years ago, while in reality, he actually killed her just before the opening of the game. (Explaining why he's staring at himself in the mirror the way he is, drawing his hand down his face.) James fled Silent Hill after killing Mary. (I'm pretty sure Laura and Mary were being taken care of at Brookhaven Hospital.) He then recieved a letter from Mary through Rachel. Mary asked Rachel to send the letter to James after her death. Having been caught up with his delusion, he feels the need to go back to Silent Hill since he thinks she died three years ago. At this point, James' mind is completely screwed up and ridden with guilt that his reality is turned into something completely different, not to mention his story. When James arrives at the hotel, he meets up with Laura. There's mention of her getting a birthday card from Mary for her 8th birthday. James asks Laura how long ago it was when she turned that age, and she responds to James by telling him it was only a few days before. This is where the story starts to come together. Some people think Laura's also dead, or also part of Silent Hill, but that's not the case at all. She is indeed a real, living person. It is safe to assume that during the Leave ending, James adopts Laura, as it was one of Mary's wishes to do so.
But anyway...is James selfish? To an extent, he is, but there is still no doubt he loved Mary, no matter what he said.
As for Walter Sullivan...as James, you read the article found in the trash chute. The article speaks of Walter saying something along the lines of, "The red devil made me do it, but it wasn't me!" The red devil is popularly claimed to be Pyramid Head. Well, it just so happens the "red devil" was Walter's first victim. 01/21. He is the ghost you see coming out of the wall in Room 302, Jimmy Stone. Stone was formerly a Preist of Valtiel. Preists of Valtiel would wear red, triangular shaped hoods that covered their entire heads. So, is the red devil Pyramid Head? Pyramid Head and Jimmy Stone are not one in the same, but there was more than one Priest of Valtiel. There is also more than one Pyramid Head. So basically, you can chock it up to these executioners as being Preists of Valtiel, since they wear the same cermonial garb.
And of course, there's Valtiel himself. He's most referred to as God's helper. He's similar to the Pyramid Heads, but most likely the former head honcho of the religious sect that was named after him, now only seen in the Alternate Silent Hill.
In game the pyramid heads are referred to the executioners of the prison in the civil war, where prisoners were "skewered" by executioners wearing triangular hoods, stained red with the blood of their victims.
How does that relate to the priests of valtiel? I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just curious.
But mostly, they're there to punish James for his misdeeds, or so is widely believed anyway.
They wear the same hood and clothing. It's a possibility that The Preists of Valtiel served as executioners as well.
So the assumption is that the cult of valtiel has persisted since civil war times, either that or the cult adopted the garb of the executioners because of some kind of evil significance.
Sorry to cut into the discussion, but I haven't played Silent Hill 2 —does anyone have a picture of Pyramid Head? I want to see him. I heard he was scary, but I would find it hard to be intimidated by a guy with a pyramid for a head.
Yup. That's him. Add to it the fact that he's invincible....heh.
Well, they're invincible against James, but against themselves...
Yes, you know what I'm talking about.
Oh, and the big pyramid? Made of metal, you hear it when you shoot at them, the clunk of bullets bouncing off it.
(SPOILER)I was thinking today about the "There was a hole here..." thing. Wasn't one of Walter's victims a bartender? It's not too much of a stretch to assume that the bartender was the Bar Neely's bartender...
The more I think about it, the more I think that Silent Hill 4's plot is fairly (Not totally, but largely) pre-planned. I mean it makes no small effort to draw special attention to Walter Sullivan...especially by means of his "suicide."
I wouldn't doubt it for a second.