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Beer with a straw? A country like that deserves to be destroyed, ipso facto!Quote:
Originally Posted by edczxcvbnm
Are there any good and popular world leaders? Spain dislikes the US president, and dislikes their own just as much. I've gathered as much from past posts by Shadow Nexus - my EoFF authority on Spanish oppinion. The British dislike Tony Blair with as much vigor as they dislike George Bush. Leaders are never popular. There are countries that hate George Bush, and there are countries that like him. I'm hard pressed to think of any world leader with any sort of positive popularity. The French and German leaders seem to engage in a lot of mutual back-patting, just as do the US and British leaders. Every leader has his circle of friends, and Bush is no different. I don't think much will change if Bush is reelected. If Kerry is elected, the countries of the world that now hate Bush will just hate Kerry instead. It's the US the countries hate, because the policies don't change radically from leader to leader. Individual presidents don't change world oppinion that much.
i couldn't disagree more, Garland. The rest of the world probably can't believe how it could even be a close election. That half of America strongly supports Bush is a strong statement about America and our myopia. It's because our media outlets have become beholden to the powers that be amd they have been systemically brainwashing and allowing lax thought.
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Originally Posted by Garland
Yes and no. Well, first, Spain currently dosen't hate the president we have now, in fact he is preety popular, he just legalized gay marriage, for example. OK, so I really don't like him that much, he is a social-democrat, meaning center-left, and I am left but I am not center, but he isn't bad. Actually, recently there was a problem with the American consul: during last year's day of Hispanidad, where all those legionaries I highly dislike do their military walk around the streets, everyone standed when the US flag passed with some marines walking around. The current president didn't, he stayed seated. This year, the consul wasn't there, and when asked, he said it was because the current president's actions (he wasn't the president last year) were offensive to him. When asked, the president said "well, I didn't want to stand up because I want to stay true to my ideas". What do you think the people's reaction to such "incorrect" action of the president was? Well, most of us liked the fact he dosen't stand in front of the US flag. Trust me, this would have not happened if 91% of the population had not been against the war, and probably 98% think Bush was an idiot. So yeah, it does influence.
However, you are right, people will keep disliking the US with Kerry in power. The US is currently the most powerful country in the world and acts as such, meaning following rather imperialist (new kind of imperialism) external policies, not to mention most europeans dislike the capitalism practiced in the US (in Europe there are some socialist concepts in every goverment, even right winged...well, in US too, but much less). However, even if the view of US will never be too good, most people think thatr Bush winning the elections will proove US is a country full of idiots (I am not saying this, I am just quoting people, my opinion on this is not such, I prefer deeper analysis on the situation). So yes, it does influence. The opinion of other countries of US is just getting more low. Oh, on a side note, same thing goes for Israel, Sharon is helping some anti-semitism to rise over here. I'd rather just hate the Sharon and Bush goverments and not the Jews and Americans, same way I would have hated Hitler and Mussolini but not the Germans and Italians. For me, hating a population based on their leader- even if democratically elected- is not only terrbily irreflexive but also the cause of many wars.
Yay, I just ranted.
Who would have done a better job in this Presidential term than Bush? Gore? As if. President Bush has been in power during a very difficult time of our country's history. People don't like how he's run things. Well, pretty close to every single person in every single country thinks they can run things better than their government does.
I would present the following. There are only 2 choices for responding to the terrorist attacks of 3 years ago. 1: hole up, close all borders, shoot everybody who tries to get in, and react to attackers once an attack has been made. 2: Take the fight to the attackers before they have a chance to kill another 6,500 people in one day. Any other options are just compromises that solve nothing and present more opportunities for attack.
Bush has chosen the second option. Why? because would you want to be responsible for the deaths of 5,000 people? Consider it. You wake up one morning and somebody walks into your bedroom and says to you, "You know that guy that you could have stopped a couple years ago? yeah he just killed about 6,000 people. You could have had him locked up or killed a few years ago, but ya chose to do as the People demanded, and did nothing. Now, 6,000 people are dead."
"Yeah yeah yeah, DeBlayde," you say to me. " 6,000 people is nothing in a world of 6 Billion."
And I answer, "Sure. The number is infantesimally small." Consider that each of the 6,000 had a family. People who depend on them. People who looked up to them. People who loved them.
You say, "yeah right. it was just a bunch of fat, ethnocentric, wealthy americans. nobody will miss them, and more should be killed."
a similar attitude was taken about 70 years ago someplace. Where was that?.... it's right on the tip of my tongue...... OH YEAH! Nazi Germany. Only then it was "Yeah right. It's only a buncha fat wealthy Jews. Nobody will miss them."
Bush didn't change the way America acts in the world...He just blew its cover.
He is not fighting terrorism, he is making it grow.
" Take the fight to the attackers before they have a chance to kill another 6,500 people in one day."
Then why are we in Iraq, if I might ask?
Take care all.
our president cant do bussiness with other nations well, if they dislike/hate him. which is another reason why Bush shouldnt be reelected.
What countries hate us anyways? I'm just curious, I can list a few though.
DeBlaye...No one is really going to argue with invading Afgan seeing as that is where Osama was. The world gave us a lot of symphathy for what happened on 9/11/2001 and Bush BLEW IT! He arrogant attitude is what made everyone dislike us...even more. People were willing to help and support us and then he goes off and tried to invade Iraq and tells people that you are either with us or against us. WAY TO BLOW IT BUSH! He just has this whole "I am right and you are wrong no matter what proof you show me otherwise." and that pisses so many people off.
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DeBlaye...No one is really going to argue with invading Afgan seeing as that is where Osama was. The world gave us a lot of symphathy for what happened on 9/11/2001 and Bush BLEW IT! He arrogant attitude is what made everyone dislike us...even more. People were willing to help and support us and then he goes off and tried to invade Iraq and tells people that you are either with us or against us. WAY TO BLOW IT BUSH! He just has this whole "I am right and you are wrong no matter what proof you show me otherwise." and that pisses so many people off.
The Afgan war isn't the issue here because many do think it to be justified. It's the IRAQI war that has had NO good justification, so far as I have seen.
Not to scare anyone, but consider this food for thought:
"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." Hermann Goering said that at the Nuremberg trials.
When even Pat Buchanan says Bush and his band has gone too far, that tells you something since Buchanan is about as Conserative as they come to begin with. It would seem, ironically, Bush has become an almost Liberal Republican in his ideas and Administration because they are all centered around giving more and more power to the Government which is a Conservative no-no.
A final note:
I did some research on my own through my local public library and called up some published essays written by current members of the Bush Administration. What I found was something very chilling written by Paul Wolfowitz circa 1996:
"it would be hard to sell a pre-emptive strike to the American people, unless a "catastrophic event -- like a new Pearl Harbor" made it seem necessary."
Not to start any theories, but the evidence seems overwhelming.
Whether you're a Democrat, Republican, Independent, American, European, Asian, etc, you would always hope that government, at least in some level, has intentions of looking out for more than its own self-interest. In the last 40 or so years, the USA's government has been sliding down a slippery slope and perhaps soon we shall be hitting rock bottom with this problem.
Take care all.
Let me ask you one questionQuote:
Whether you're a Democrat, Republican, Independent, American, European, Asian, etc, you would always hope that government, at least in some level, has intentions of looking out for more than its own self-interest. In the last 40 or so years, the USA's government has been sliding down a slippery slope and perhaps soon we shall be hitting rock bottom with this problem
Is your money that good
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul
And I hope that you die
And your death'll come soon
I will follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand o'er your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead
- Bob Dylan, Masters of War
Well, I don't need to add anything else. This was written 40 years ago and will be sung for many years, still.
Perfectly placed SN! We need Bob Dylan right now, more than ever.
Take care all.