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yeah, but first she inherited her powers from a unknown sorceress :) . that's what i don't get :mad: . she inherits power, loses it, and then inherits it from Ultimecia again :eek: :p , unless -- could that sorceress have possibly been Ultimecia :mad: ? i know a sorceress has to give her powers to someone else before she dies :eek: , but why would Ultimecia choose to go to Edea :mad: ?
No, she inherits power from unknown sorceress, inherits Ultimecia's powers, then loses her powers.
so she actually inherited powers twice :eek: ? no wonders she's so damn powerful :evilking: . well she's easy to beat :) , but it was so funny watching my brother fight her :bgl: 'cuz it'll be at least 5 losses before he finally defeats her, lol :laughing: !
It means that the important events of the game begin and end at the same moment. Someone once explained rather well how that was an interesting phenomena, I have forgot exactly how it went.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuffie514
Yeah! Edea said she got her powers from a sorceress on the verge of death AND she knew Squall was "The Boy From The Future..." So then...time must've got screwed aroung with all those eyars ago too...I dunno...this brainracking is confusing.
Edeas comment about Squall being "that boy from the future" doesn't have anything to do with the loop screwing up her knowledge or anything. She simply deduces from his comments that he is that boy, ie. little Squall in the future.
ok question. I perfectly understand the whole looping process on how the power gets back around and all, but here is where it doesnt make since. If Rinoa passed the powers of edea, ulitemecia, and adel on down the line back to Ultimecia in teh future, how could rinoa once again recieve adel's powers again on the 3rd (4th?) disk? shouldnt she have already had adel's powers when Edea passed on the powers to her?
I don't know...something to think about, that's for sure. But wait, Edea never had Adel's power! The sorceress she found on the verge of death was Ultimecia, it's looped. She never ecieved Adel's power until disc 4.
Yes, you've just discovered what might appear to be a paradox of some sort. The powers seem to continously add up for each loop, so the powers of each sorceress seem to increase for every round. However, this is not a flaw in the game, it is a flaw in our wording and understanding of the loop.
You see, the events of the loop only happen once, so the powers only go ONE round. Any other subsequent round are ONLY pure repetitions of what happened the last time around, ie. similar to watching a video over and over(the events of the video happened only once, but we can watch the video as many times as we want). Because it's a loop, wer can go around it as many times as we want, but the events in it are the same each time. Ellone tells us this when she says that "you can't change the past".
Because of this fact, the sorceress powers don't increase continously. All other rounds of the loop have no relevance, and can be cut out by principle of economy. If the powers DID add up, the past would change, contradicting Ellone. Furhtermore, if the powers added up, Ultimecia would eventually become so powerful that she'd break the loop and compress time, meaning we shouldn't realisitcally be able to play the game!
You can read in more detail here:
http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/f..._ultimecia.txt
I wasn't implying that we could change the past I was implying that if Squall and co go and defeat Ultimeica blah blah blah, then Ultimeica can still be born, right? So what's going to happen when it reaches that time. Squall and co would be...uh...dead, right? So they couldn't exactly come back to life. And doesn't that mean that they can change the future??? And doc odine's "Junction-machine-Ellone" invention allows Ultimeica to go into the past and she makes Rinoa and Edea do things they wouldn't normally do. Isn't that classified as changing the past??? Ugh, this is hurting my brain.
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no, first off, Edea recieved her powers from a dying sorceress when she was 5. she recieved the powers from ultimecia some time during her adulthood. AND if you think about it Edea WOULD have adel's powers because Rinoa had them. It would have been passed on eventually to Ultimecia who then passes them back to Edea. my head hurts....
Yeah, but then Ultimecia would be born again and who would she get her powers from?
Who thinks writing a letter to Square-enix is a good idea????
I was actually talking the poster above you, just so that is clear.Quote:
I wasn't implying that we could change the past I was implying that if Squall and co go and defeat Ultimeica blah blah blah, then Ultimeica can still be born, right? So what's going to happen when it reaches that time. Squall and co would be...uh...dead, right? So they couldn't exactly come back to life.
But yes, Ultimecia WILL eventually be born, long after Squall and Co are dead of course. Bit what will happen is that some time after she rises to power, Squall and Co will arrive from the past and kill her, freeing the world from Ultimecia.
It wouldn't be changing a thing if all events related to timetravel were ALSO set in stone. In other words, the line of time would be bumpy, not smooth.Quote:
And doesn't that mean that they can change the future??? And doc odine's "Junction-machine-Ellone" invention allows Ultimeica to go into the past and she makes Rinoa and Edea do things they wouldn't normally do. Isn't that classified as changing the past???
Yes, technically speaking Edea has Adels powers. But as I explained above, the powers don't increase for each round of the loop.Quote:
no, first off, Edea recieved her powers from a dying sorceress when she was 5. she recieved the powers from ultimecia some time during her adulthood. AND if you think about it Edea WOULD have adel's powers because Rinoa had them. It would have been passed on eventually to Ultimecia who then passes them back to Edea. my head hurts....
She'd get her powers from whatever sorceress came before her.Quote:
Yeah, but then Ultimecia would be born again and who would she get her powers from?
OK, I'm beginning to understand this seriously screwed situation...so thanx for that.
The thing that confused me is, why Ultimecia followed Squall? Why she didn't follow the others to squall's time? :confused:
Or Squall appeared just coincidently at the time where Ultimecia transfered her power to Edea?
And since Ellone said that "you can't change the past." means that no matter what, Doc Odine will make "Junction-Machine Ellone"?