Promoting peace and tolerance.

I think the Chinese-middle East relation is to do with selling weapons. no offense to anyone, but in World Issues, our teacher told us that China sells a lot of arms to other countries, especially the countries that do not have a good rep, with the US. If I remeber correctly, they sell arms to Pakistan, Iran (not too sure), *forgets rest*...

Please correct me if I am wrong here.

Like previously said, if there is a conflict between these two powers, it will result in and Third World War, which would lead to nuclear war. I do hope for peace between these powers. Not only for the world's sake but for my countries. Because if there was to be a war, China, with the Russian permission of course could attack Canada, and Alaska from the north. I really do hope for peace, though I am sitting here idlely in Canada, hoping and not doing anything. (It is time like these that I gain a self-loathing feeling).

Nik, if you want to truly make a difference, make a lasting impact that can profoundly influence this country, or the world at large, have it begin within you. Live a life devoted to tolerance and peace, as you have said you try to, and don't let anyone change you or force you otherwise. As you move on in your life and encounter more and more people, you will be given the chance to influence how the look at something or believe in a cause, by how you do the same. Make known what you believe to be the truth of the situation, and make known that the potential outcome of war is not one that will benefit anyone in the long run.

To live a life devoted to the ideals of peace and tolerance is a life that will be empowered, a life that will find great strength and will slowly but surely find its calling as others may seek you out, to emulate you or just to pick your brain a bit.

Should you want a more ambitious track, use your strengths to get your message out. Use your love of music to write songs preaching the virtues of tolerance and of peace and should you gain the ability to share these songs with others, never doubt their power or your resolve within them.

Perhaps, become a writer or even, though it may not seem ideal right now, a politician or activist, so that you can really jump into the fire itself and start making changes from within or from an informed point of view. No matter what, if you feel you must do something, then by all means, do it, and do it with all your heart. There are far too many half-hearted attempts at change, or trying to pass something else off as tolerance that the real article needs to be expressed more.

In all, each and every person has the ability to profoundly influence the world by influencing, by teaching, by learning and by seeking out the truth, both for themselves and for those they come into contact with. Sure, some may not listen, but most, if not all people, deep down, do wish to make the world a better place, do wish to know the truth of a situation, and will, when it all comes to a head, be willing to hear what others have to say. If any of us are fortunate enough to gain prominence in a way where out voice can reach even more people, always keep in mind that power and influence can change the world in great, great ways if used for the benefit of all, not just for the gain of some.

Take care all.

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Soviet Union will CRUSH u ALL!!!
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I think the U.S. will stop somewhere short of war with China. Thats definately not a war we want to fight. But as China's defiance grows, and they keep setting their own dollar, and making it unfair for the world market, tensions with China are heating up in the U.S. especially about the loss of jobs.

I still doubt the U.S. would go to war without the full support of the world. I mean this isnt Iraq, this war would be gritty and long. Because neither would use nukes with M.A.D. (Mutally Assured Destruction). Plus i dont see the U.S. folding to China either.

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MAD was only with Russia. USA is currently working on a missle defense system, as the treaty is technically no longer in effect. And secondly, depending on who is in power at the time, we really don't care all that much about the rest of the world. In fact, for many conservatives, any attempt to get the world community on board is considered "cowtowing to the UN" or "letting the UN dictate how america defends itself". People with such attitudes are not going to even slow down because the rest of the world isn't behind them. So if such thoughts are prevelent when China starts to provoke the US.

At any rate, I think America is probably in for a very rude awakening. We seem to be going the same way Rome did in many areas.

http://mars.acnet.wnec.edu/~grempel/...4romefell.html

Tell me where the stories of America and Rome differ.

Oddly enough this reminds me of the game Fallout. In there WWIII erupted and ended in a matter of hours with a great deal of the population dead. The reason was the depletion of resources, The U.S. annexed Canada while China invaded Alaska. Frankly I worry more about a conflict with North Korea. Bush has been taking an aggressive stance with them, and the Kim Jong Il has made it plain that they won't be intimidated.

I did not intend this thread to be a debate about whether or not China and the US will be enemies. The goal of this thread was to discuss the idea of a group of people or an organization that spreads the idea's of understanding and unity to the people of the world, in hopes of preventing future conflicts. I shouls have made this clear earlier. If you want to start a thread about the US China Relationshp, please do so, but let's not talk about it in here.

I would imagine that most future conflicts that major powers get into wouldn't be amongst themselves, but as peacekeeping forces for disputes between smaller countries, or in the war on terror. I don't see the U.S. and China getting into a war sometime in the near future...I haven't seen any of the "anti-China propaganda" that's supposedly going around, only information concerning human rights violations that's been circulating for quite some time. If there was a war between two major powers, I would expect that it would develop into World War III, but I don't know about the likelyhood of the use of nuclear weapons...surely, all parties involved know that it WOULD be Mutually Assured Destruction. Even so, China has many times the military strength that the U.S. does--not as much technology, no, or precision, or range even, but I believe they have more than three times the number of soldiers in only their Army than the U.S. does in all of its military forces combined--Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines (Dept. of Navy), and even including the Coast Guard, which isn't really military anymore because it's now under the Department of Homeland Security. So as for numbers, the U.S. would have no chance, but as for technological aspects, the U.S. would have the greater advantage. Except for the fact that China can use the force to have more money at their disposal, whereas the U.S. government has at least a semi-fixed income. (Don't take that out of context and exaggerate it.)

The only dispute I see that's been brewing and ready to blow is that with North Korea, which, as far as I know, isn't supported by China in this instance, so wouldn't be too much of a hassle to deal with. North Korea might be the ones that would use nuclear weapons, but there's no telling, and even if the use of nuclear weapons didn't destroy all parties involved--let's say one was fired and shot down, etc.--I'm sure it would be looked down upon, severely, by most of the rest of the world.

As for spreading peace and avoiding conflict entirely, as was pointed out, it would probably have more of an affect if you simply joined an organization already devoted to such ideals. There are many, I'm sure. I don't know your age, but most people don't take notice to things young people do, whether they be 15 or 25. If you're in college, or maybe even high school, you might could start a school-wide organization, but I wouldn't expect your influence would be able to reach much further than that.

I actually kinda envisioned this. Eventually USA will piss off enough people to start a war. China is not even close to communist, they are only communist by name. They are actually very capitalistic because we all know, that is one of the most effective ways. Why do they not say they are capitalistic? Why, because then USA will say OMG j00 Capitalistic, j00 have to do thingz our way roflolol...-_- They wont say it outright, but they will do something like that. US with its current power will try to change any nation to fit itself, its an assimilation and by assuming the Communist name, they are therefore protected and still be able to grow as a country. I am pretty sure that the Chinese people, KNOW its a dumb idea to use Communism since it failed and weakened the country. I like you to look at Hong Kong or Shanghai and tell me HOW is that communist?

The USA already wanted to dismantle the threat to their power known as China the minute they tried to get Taiwan away from them. Taiwan is part of China, and they rebelled, China has every right to take it back. But because USA doesnt want China to have it, they supplied the Taiwan people with weapons and a blanket of security and claiming it as a movement against Communism. Divide and conquer imo, and they did it before with Korea in the Korean war by dividing them. Now Korea as a whole is not as strong because it is seperated, and USA is doing the same here. The united states has no right to just BUTT into other country's foreign affairs and problems -_-

So i would say because of the way the USA thinks they can handle other countries as psh posh, its bound to happen, and damn well i am pretty sure it will happen..in which case i have to flee because i am chinese and i am sure concentration camps will ensure...if not terrorism.

If you think this is completely BS then you really need to go out and look at things from another perspective..-_- Alot of people at least that are asian (and/or chinese living HERE in the USA) do view it that way. Most other people just dont seem to pay enough attention living in America and needs to listen to less American news. I dont trust the US as some kind of capitalistic hero...i dont understand how any conservative can look at it that way. I dont even trust their police much less the government.

Nik, as much as i like peace to happen, i dont think it will IMO. I think US has pressed way too many buttons that it shouldnt have, and that they need some check and balance. -_- Maybe before other countries try peace and tolerance, the USA needs to look at itself and listen to its own words.

I sure dont like war...but i just feel theres only so many punches in the face you can take before you have to punch back. Of course i can keep dreaming =/ I certainetly do not want the United States as the world's superpower any longer even if i should still live in it...because while i am safe living in it for the most part, i feel they are a threat to everyone else. Stuff like this always have happened, it sjust more apparent these days IMO.

Just how i feel.

Nuclear deterrence, I believe, may well be our saviour here. Both the PRC and USA have formidable nuclear arsenals; neither nation can afford to initiate a full-scale conflict with the other. Annihilation would be guaranteed.

However, current US foreign policy seems to be thus:
"If they're different from us, and they don't like us, then they're a threat and must either be destroyed or changed so that they're just like us".

For now, this policy has only been enforced against small, relatively defenseless states.

America is suffering because of the enormous international backlash against its self-serving and aggressive campaigns; in time, they may come to realise that friends are more valuable than enemies, so a change of stance is necessary. Similarly, China's socio-economic reforms and growth are bringing them further into the international community, more than ever before. This should help to break down the barriers that have kept outsiders from trying to understand China's way of life. Favourable circumstances and the pressures of political reality could, I believe, force the world to become a more cohesive, unified group of states.[q=Sasquatch]The only dispute I see that's been brewing and ready to blow is that with North Korea, which, as far as I know, isn't supported by China in this instance, so wouldn't be too much of a hassle to deal with. North Korea might be the ones that would use nuclear weapons, but there's no telling, and even if the use of nuclear weapons didn't destroy all parties involved--let's say one was fired and shot down, etc.--I'm sure it would be looked down upon, severely, by most of the rest of the world.[/q]The moment North Korea tried to launch a nuclear weapon, the US would be forced to respond with a nuclear strike of its own. North Korea's infrastructure would be swiftly annihilated. That, however, will not happen, because North Korea knows it would. It's a dodgy standoff - North Korea is now safe from attack, even though the US has been threatening them for years now. Nuclear capability has given them protection, in the same uneasy way that it has helped to ensure against full-scale war between India and Pakistan.

[q=lionx]Taiwan is part of China, and they rebelled, China has every right to take it back.[/q]Taiwan's been independent for a considerable period now; it'd be unfair to say, for instance, that India has the right to reclaim Pakistan or that other Middle-Eastern nations have the right to re-take Israel. I'd hate to see Taiwan engulfed in a war against the overwhelming military might of China. I have a number of friends from mainland China, Hong Kong and Taiwan, so the matter is even more personal to me...

War and hatred have been a part of humanity since before recorded history. However, things have changed - war now has the real potential to annihilate us all. Before now, one country would always win, or they'd reach a treaty to end hostilities. Today, nuclear-equipped rivals could completely ruin each other with no chance of victory. Globalisation is another change - societies and nations are becoming more intermingled and interdependent. This never occurred before, and is arguable an improvement, as far as peace is concerned. International groups like the UN (despised by many in the US but also a significant international movement) have more power than ever before.

The person who starts a nuclear war will have to make a conscious decision: "Am I going to commit genocide? Am I going to condemn all of my people?"
I doubt any leader would answer, "yes".

My only hope is that we don't see a gradual escalation of hostilities, with one nation slandering the other and trying to circumvent its objectives. That kind of behaviour could - and often does - bring states into a position where war seems the only solution.

Agreed Dave. What is needed for leaders to all take a collective deep breath and realize that each decision must be made with the best interests of the world in mind, not with the agendas of their party or country alone. Nuclear weapons have become the ultimate bargaining chip as those who have them in some way, get a say in matters, but also give them the capability of mass destruction, which no one wants, I hope.

Deep down, I think that if the right people are put into place, the right decisions can get made and all of the mounting hostility will subside.

Who exactly these "right people" are is the real challenge and question. People that have vision, can inspire and create on their own, yet are humble, that can see that they are responsible for their choices and weigh every option, avoid needless conflict and are willing to listen to other are amongst the qualities I believe that will be needed.

Take care all.

I see things like this:

Governments are eager to go to war for power. People, however, are reluctant to go to war because they are the ones who suffer. The only way any citizen could support a war, is if the enemy was a nameless, faceless killer.

I believe that, if we knew each others names, if we saw each others faces, and understood each others histories, war would be nearly impossible. If we could keep both of our cultures in our hearts, and celibrate our differences, the people would just not stand for war. It is only possible to get a society to fight if the enemy has been distanced from them. If we can view each other not as "Americans" and "Chinese" but simply as people then a huge step towards peace will have been made.

If only we knew each others names...

Being a little bit cold-hearted, I don't see why US would want to fight China, as trading seems to have increased between the two countries. Have I missed out on something here? (I have read through the thread.)

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Being a little bit cold-hearted, I don't see why US would want to fight China, as trading seems to have increased between the two countries. Have I missed out on something here? (I have read through the thread.)

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Eventually there will be a conflict between the two nations, because China is a growing power. Politically it is not in the best interest of the United States to allow China to grow as strong, or stronger than we are. A conflict of some sort will then ensue. Like I said earlier, we may not see US troops on Chinese soil or vice versa, but I have no doubt that our forces will meet Chinese forces someday, on some front.

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I did not intend this thread to be a debate about whether or not China and the US will be enemies. The goal of this thread was to discuss the idea of a group of people or an organization that spreads the idea's of understanding and unity to the people of the world, in hopes of preventing future conflicts. I shouls have made this clear earlier. If you want to start a thread about the US China Relationshp, please do so, but let's not talk about it in here.

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Well, I don't think the US will start a war with China or viceversa, because..well...both can loose. Simple as that. You don't attack a country if you have such a high risk of failure.

Nikotine, about the idea on the whole promoting peace, well, it's not like one person alone can do that much, but I believe the secret here is not on pulling flowers out of a balcony and handing them to people while you stand bare footed in the street and high on marihuana. By hanging around big signs of peace, love and unity between the nations you are not going to change the minds of people, because well, people already have seen enough signs of peace and love.

I believe a way of acting and changing this is by making people arrive to such conclusions by themselves. You just need a group of people and creativity, and it can be done. For example, a friend of mine has a group dedicated to make artistic happenings in the street: the whole concept of it are happenings that awaken people from the slumber of idiocy and alienation. In one of those, they attempted to show people how the worst of all messages could be accepted if delivered under the best make up:

They all dressed up as an NGO; with t-shirts, a stand, photographs of their facilities in Africa, experts talking about the conditions of the people and all that crap. It was all false, the photographs were obtained from the internet, the shirts made in a shop and there was no memeber of the NGO that was not an actor. The supposed plan of this false NGO was to help "the black people in Africa" by bringing them to Spain, to the homes of the people that were willing to keep them there for a while. They were asking for this people. The way the whole thing was presented looked like a very nice way of promoting pseudo Nazi ideas. First of all, they said "the black people had been selected specially, to get the most strong, intelligent and beautiful people". They also had a "catalogue of blacks", with photographs of African people, with their names, ages, heighs, weight, etc, as if they were animals, so you could choose the person you would carry home (all the pictures were taken from Google). They also said one of the rules is that you had to keep the person under a roof and feed him, but you were forbidden to pay him for any service you would provide, because the organization didn't like the idea of economical benefit. In other words, slavery in solidarity make up. They also told people "this blacks can sleep anywhere or be fed anything", and all those sorts of things, along with a "psychological test to see if you are worthly of taking this blacks under your keep" asking you "how much litter you throw away each day". Anyway, as you can see, pure slavery, a man even asked them for six people to work on his lands (God, what an asshole). At the end of the whole thing, they dressed up as the KKK and packed.

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They all dressed up as an NGO; with t-shirts, a stand, photographs of their facilities in Africa, experts talking about the conditions of the people and all that crap. It was all false, the photographs were obtained from the internet, the shirts made in a shop and there was no memeber of the NGO that was not an actor. The supposed plan of this false NGO was to help "the black people in Africa" by bringing them to Spain, to the homes of the people that were willing to keep them there for a while. They were asking for this people. The way the whole thing was presented looked like a very nice way of promoting pseudo Nazi ideas. First of all, they said "the black people had been selected specially, to get the most strong, intelligent and beautiful people". They also had a "catalogue of blacks", with photographs of African people, with their names, ages, heighs, weight, etc, as if they were animals, so you could choose the person you would carry home (all the pictures were taken from Google). They also said one of the rules is that you had to keep the person under a roof and feed him, but you were forbidden to pay him for any service you would provide, because the organization didn't like the idea of economical benefit. In other words, slavery in solidarity make up. They also told people "this blacks can sleep anywhere or be fed anything", and all those sorts of things, along with a "psychological test to see if you are worthly of taking this blacks under your keep" asking you "how much litter you throw away each day". Anyway, as you can see, pure slavery, a man even asked them for six people to work on his lands (God, what an asshole). At the end of the whole thing, they dressed up as the KKK and packed.

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The guy probably was teasing them. It sounds more like a joke to me.

To me, Taiwan is more of a rebel state, its nothing more than the USA butting in that made them lose that part of China. Why didnt we reclaim them sooner? We were too weak at the moment to fight against the United States who WOULD have attacked China should they have wanted to take back Taiwan at the time. Now its just we are ready to do so without someone overpowering and butting into affairs... hopefully. Think about Britain and United States in the Revolutionary War. Britain obviously saw it as a rebellion and they have every right to the colonies, and the colonies think its a revolution. The same is here, except that someone butted in. There is call for military action to solve major protests and stuff to solve things in the long run. I think this is nothing different than say should Hawaii rebell, and then United States putting troups there to calm things. I think its perfectly fine. Many of us still think Taiwan is still part of China because namely most of the asians there migrated off there anyway. -_-

IMO i think that from what i seen in the action against the Middle East, thoughts will be thought later, after all once you are in there and causing chaos, apologizing will solve everything. -_- Nik i wish there are more people like you...however whether or not this will really happen with some of the radicals in this nation i seriously doubt it looking at it realistically...but it never hurts to try..=/