So did Anakin fullfill the prophecy and bring balance to the force

the force is balanced with the genocide of the jedi in episode 3. you have two sith (there was always two sith) and two jedi (was lots and lots of them before). the gonocide leaves darth vader and sidious against yoda and obi wan.

the death of obi wan sees luke emerge as a jedi master which keeps the balance. yoda's death leaves the force unbalanced or maybe not. at this point darth vader is trapped in two minds. he is almost between the two sides (luke is having the same transition). this culminates in his killing of the emperor. his death leaves luke. he is not the jedi of old. he is capable of anger and hate as seen in the way he fights his father. but at the same time he is still a jedi and is able to control his dark side.

the genocide starts the balance and it is continued throughout the original films.

FF junkie, the one thing i disagree with is the yoda being above mace in the saber duelest. in episode 3 mace windu easily takes palpatine down, even when palpatine is in the "defensive back pedal". yoda also fights palpatine, but he loses. i think that yoda is stronger in the force, but mace is the better duelest.

this may sound crazy, but maybe anikan was better than yoda in saber duelest. yoda came to a "draw" with dooku, where as anikan wiped the floor with him in ep.3.

i dont know, its just some thing to think about.......

I think Palpatine allowed Windu to defeat him in order to force Anakin into a decision. I could be wrong but that's how I interpreted the situation.

I agree with RSL. It seemed more like Palpatine was manipulating things to "prove" to Anakin that the Jedi were the ones that were wrong. Although why he became withered as a result? Perhaps it had something to do with the purple lightsaber? I've heard the different colors have different powers, but I don't know what they are off hand.

Mace's purple lightsaber has the power of funk.

I think he became withered because it takes a certain amount of Force power and/or concentration to maintain the form he kept while maintaining his role as Chancellor Palpatine (not his "natural", dark side-influenced, Sith form), and while he was using the Force lightning, he just let himself go in order to concentrate on and lend more power to his lightning. Maybe.

That sounds plausible, especially considering whenever he addressed people as Darth Sidious, he always had his hood over his face, to mask his features. So you never know, he could have been whithered the whole time. And perhaps he let his appearance revert to normal to add to the effect for turning Anakin to the dark side.

Anakin did fulfill the prophecy, but it wasn't as people thought it would be fulfilled, the same with the Jedi. He did balance the force out, but Obi Wan actually unbalanced it by letting himself get killed, since Luke was nowhere near being a Jedi Knight at that point in the Death Star, I mean he couldn't even deflect lasers from that ball thing. As for FF's point...well...OK, we see Obi Wan on the bring of getting owned. Suddenly, he realizes that he can jump over Maul and use Qui Gon's lightsaber to kill him. I have two explanations for this, one is me taking a shot in the dark, and another one is making an inference. Inference: Maul was too slow for Obi Wan, who was already pumped after seeing his Jedi master fall (not in a negative way, but out of....well..love I guess. After all, the bond between master and padawan's are very very strong.) As for the shot in the dark. Ok, the Sith's use anger to their advantage right? Anger clouds judgement, and makes you unfocused to a point right? The Jedi use the force to their advantage, using it to predict moves or to give them strength. Anger for the siths is like a steroid. It makes them a lot more powerful, and faster as well. Maul could not predict Obi Wan would do that in that split second. I'm taking this because Maul was like "WTFUX, HOW U B DOIN DAT DAWG" and then he got owned. I mean, wouldn't he be smiling if he knew what he was doing? No he was scared and suprised.

Now to address why Anakin lost. Well, I mean Obi Wan even said, I have the high ground. Anakin disregarded this, and Obi Wan, who guessed correctly that Anakin would jump towards him either or above or at him, sliced him up. I mean, Anakin was known to make rash decisions, and he was already like "OMG I R UNBETABLE!!!!!!111111@", so who wouldn't think Anakin would try to kill Obi Wan? He's not just going to give up right there, I mean, come on, after seeing Anakin in the story, he's not one to give up, and will keep pushing until he reaches his goal.

I do believe that Leia meant Padme when she described her, because, if you saw the movie, you saw and heard even from the robot doctor that she had basically given up on life. I mean, she's happy that she had the baby, but sad that Anakin has turned to the dark side, after all, Anakin was married to her out of the enormous love they shared for eachother.

Luke certainly didn't fulfill the prophecy - Anakin did. Who threw Darth Sidious down the shaft? Anakin. Who was being electrocuted by the Emperor at the time, screaming like a giant wuss? Luke.

Luke simply defeated the Emperor by proxy. Anakin was the real hero here.

Leia couldnt mean Padme. She talks about remembering her mother. The smell of her perfume, little things about her. She "died when I was very young". Not at childbirth. She wouldnt speak of a woman she didnt remember, especially since she believed Bail was her father, and Bail's wife was her mother.

Sure he did. He killed all the Jedi until there were two remaining. Two Sith. Two Jedi. Balance achieved. xD

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Originally Posted by TheAbominatrix

Leia couldnt mean Padme. She talks about remembering her mother. The smell of her perfume, little things about her. She "died when I was very young". Not at childbirth. She wouldnt speak of a woman she didnt remember, especially since she believed Bail was her father, and Bail's wife was her mother.

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I agree with this. I haven't watched the original trilogy in a long time, but I think the part where she mentioned remembering her mother was before she even knew she was luke's twin and Anakin's daughter.

I thought that Leia was talking about her adopted mother was obvious. :tongue:

It's obvious, but people get confused at times.

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FF junkie, the one thing i disagree with is the yoda being above mace in the saber duelest. in episode 3 mace windu easily takes palpatine down, even when palpatine is in the "defensive back pedal". yoda also fights palpatine, but he loses. i think that yoda is stronger in the force, but mace is the better duelest.

this may sound crazy, but maybe anikan was better than yoda in saber duelest. yoda came to a "draw" with dooku, where as anikan wiped the floor with him in ep.3.

i dont know, its just some thing to think about.......

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I completely agree with you on Mace being more skilled with a lightsaber than Yoda; it was just a simple misinterpretation. I was ranking the Jedi based on overall power, which would have to take into account both the mental side and physical side of the force. I've argued that very point with friends for some time now. It's the same thing with the Sith... When it comes to the mental aspects and overall mastery of the dark side powers, there's no doubt that Sidious is the man (I'm talking about the Sith we see in the movies: he, Dooku, Vader and Maul). But similarly, I don't think anyone would be able to put up much of an agument against Darth Maul being by far and away the most skilled lightsaber user out of the bunch.
I've seen Mace and Yoda's comparison in just the same way. Mace is the man when it comes to using the lightsaber, but Yoda's wisdom and knowledge of the mental side of the force is leaps and bounds above any other Jedi with the exception of Anakin. That's why I said that OVERALL Yoda is either first or second in the Jedi ranks, with Windu second or third (depending on how Anakin is ranked, based on the fact he uses his anger to draw up his most powerful attacks).