Yeah man, please explain the problem better. I still don't get what exactly the hell your talking about.
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Yeah man, please explain the problem better. I still don't get what exactly the hell your talking about.
Sir Bahamut,you completely misunderstood the question.I hadnīt even talking about the speed of time compression.By activation of time compression I mean that all eras were already compressed at one point.It starts at 1000 .Letīs now suppose that someone has a clock in time compression(we consider all eras were already compressed at one point).That clock also marks years.When 500 years has passed on the clock the sorceress will finish Time Compression and the world will get back to normal.But time compression was infinitesimal all this years.At the year 1000 time gets compressed.1000 gets compressed with 500,2000,1300,1400,1450,700,etc...(all in the range of 500-2000).They get all compressed in an instant during the 500 years that passed on the clock.We suppose an absolute clock exists on the time compressed world.1000 is the era where the sorceress lives an performs TC.I beluieve I shouldnīt have mentioned 1500.To know that 500 years pass in a clock inside TC is enough.Forget about the "1500" date.It confuses things a lot.
Tc is activated at 1000 and 500 years pass on a clock inside Tc.Thatīs enough
i remember now.your theories were very good apart from the fact that they were unproven.but that was before i joined up and was just looking at the threads you guys have been making.nice to meet you again.wait i get it now(SPOILER).your using this thread to hide one of your theories inside of the poll nice one!Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
This sounds rather contradictory. It takes 500 years for time to compress in an instant? You'll have to rephrase this.Quote:
They get all compressed in an instant during the 500 years that passed on the clock.
I see what you're saying with the rest now, except now you need to flesh out your actual question better. Sorry for being slow, but I'm really having problems seeing what you're thinking. You need to explain your thinking simpler and more consisely. It might sound easy in your head, but it's not the same to everyone else...
Thank you bftd. This one is special because i wanna to post a theory and the answer to it (the poll) helps people to see the proof.
This one is for you boys from the dwarf(SPOILER)What i am showing here is that the world of FF8 is already a time compressed world.
Better,a discrete one in which eras are distributed spatialy.
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If you've been trying to prove that the world of FF8 is already a time compressed world, then you're 100% wrong, and I can prove it easily using this quote:
Rinoa: "There was a sorceress inside me. Ultimecia, a sorceress from the future. She's trying to achieve time compression. She's the only one who would be able to exist in such a world. She, and no other."
Since people in FF8 do obvioiusly exist besides Ultimecia, time in FF8 was never compressed. I mean, Ultimecia even tells us that "the world was on the BRINK of time compression". If it was on the brink, it was never completed.
Time in FF8 is NEVER fully compressed, so there's no point trying to 'prove' otherwise. No wonder I couldn't underatand what you were saying...
Sir Bahamut,let me explain:
To explain it better I will break time compression in discrete eras.
Year 1000-Sorceress CAUSE time compression.
Inside time compression:
The symbol % means compressed with
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Normal flow of time Time compression string
0 500%700%900%1000%2000 already compressed in an instant
1 501%701%901%1001%2001 already compressed in an instant
2 502%702%902%1002%2002 already compressed in an instant
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500 1000%1200%1400%%1500%2500 already compressed in an instant
Looking at this we can also see why the answer is 500 to 2500.
The argument is that if the time 1000 gets compressed with the time 500 then the time 500 is also compressed with time 1000 and so not only the time 1000 feels the time compression but also the time 500 which is 500 years before the time the sorceress creates the magic.Isnīt this interesting?
So looking at the table we conclude that the eras from 500 to 2500 feel time compression(independent of the TC string it feels).
To say otherwise is to violate the law of causality.
Okay, I've been trying really hard to think that you're making sense and are actually being consistent here, but I guve up.
Firstly, you say she decides to compress time from 500 to 2000 into the year 1000 where she is located. Fair enough. However, in your latest diagram you are showing even more time get compressed which makes no sense. If she compresses time in the range 500 to 2000 she doesn't also compress time in the range of 2000-2500. That would make the range in which she casts TC 500-2500.
Perhaps you are talking about time passing within time compression, but that makes no sense either. Time can't pass in TC because it is time itself that is compressed. If time in the range 500-2000 were compressed into one point, that would mean that year 1000 contained every single event between year 500 and year 2000. Any other events earlier than 500 or after 2000 woulld be completely independent of this.
But I'll give you the beneift of the doubt, and assume that you might have changed since last time you were spouting our your nonsense theories, and give you one more chance to explain everything. And then I mean not just one part of it, or two bits. I want you to explain your example in detail and what conclusions you are reaching from it.
Please, surprise me.
In response to Bahamut:
You are not supposed to see the spoiler.But I forgive you then.Concentrate on my last post which is the explanation you asked.
EDITED:You got it.Time passes inside TC.Thatīs what I have been trying to explain all this time .
Uh, well if you set the range of TC as the years 500-2000 then of course people in the year 500 will feel the effect. That's like saying "If I blow up New York, then the people living on the borders of New York will be effected". The conclusion you're reaching was a given already in your opening.Quote:
The argument is that if the time 1000 gets compressed with the time 500 then the time 500 is also compressed with time 1000 and so not only the time 1000 feels the time compression but also the time 500 which is 500 years before the time the sorceress creates the magic.
Because as far as I see it, you started off by saying "lets assume a sorceress compresses time in the range 500-2000". Now, after reaching a conclusion which was set in the argument itself, you somehow draw the conclusion that time 500 years AHEAD of the set range will be effected, which doesn't make sense at all. If she compresses time in the range 500-2000, then she compresses time in the range 500-2000, not 500-2500!!
And don't talk about the law of causality as if you are presenting some scientific proof here, because you're not. You're just spouting out nonsense which doesn't make any sense at all.
that is a good theorie and (SPOILER)maybe most of the events that happen in normal peoples like small or big are due to time compression and history and future events are unoticeabbly being altered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
what do you think of that one
Firstly, why didn't you just phrase it like that all along, for Gods sake.Quote:
You got it.Time passes inside TC.Thatīs what I have been trying to explain all this time .
Secondly, you're wrong. TC works by compressing time together, and by definition, time cannot pass beyond the regions of TC, or inside it for that matter. Why? Because TC crunches everything into ONE event in time. All events that started exactly year 500 and all unto year 2000 would be in one single event in time. If everything is in one place, it cannot move. Time does not pass within the region of TC per definition.
Saying otherwise is violating pure logic.
You are mixing cause and effect.They are not the same thing.
Despite the sorceress create the magic at 1000 it can be feeled in 500.
From now I think you agree with me on this subject.It looked circular reasoning to you but i think this is not too evident to most of the people who play FF8.
Concerning your last subject,I explained that time passes on TC so 2000 will become 2500.
Well,Squall moves through time compression.Speed =distance/time.
EDIT: Please edit your posts instead of double posting. -Murder
Firstly, Squall moves through what will end up as a time compressed world. Time doesn't compress in an instant, that much is made evident in the game. But time compression has effects that spread out at a finite speed, which is what Squall and co utilize. So my point remains, that in a fully compressed world, time does not pass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
As for the rest, I give up arguing with you. You're completely neglecting all my points, and not making any sense with your own.
Well,wether time passes or not thatīs not relevant for the theory I will present.
If a sorceress activates time compression at 1000 and the range of times THAT GETS compressed is from 500 to 2000 then people will feel the effect of time compression at least from 500 to 1000 (past of 1000) and from 1000 to 2000(future of 1000).
I think you agreed with me in one of your posts(the one in wich you talk about New York).
But I just wanna to ask you some questions.
Sorceress Ultimecia uses Ellone to send her consciousness to a further past.
Letīs call this era A.This era was obviously before Adel kidnapps Rinoa.She need to do this to compress time.Do you think era A belongs to the set of times that she wanna to compress? Letīs call the era in wich Squall had defeated Adel era B.Do you think that belongs as well to the set?And what about the eras between them?Give me your opinion.