It sucks. I mean, take it out from everywhere, but respect the bars and pubs, damn it. No smoking there...it just takes away all the atmosphere, a bar without smoke is like a clinic were drinks are sold or something. Bars and pubs NEED smoke.
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It sucks. I mean, take it out from everywhere, but respect the bars and pubs, damn it. No smoking there...it just takes away all the atmosphere, a bar without smoke is like a clinic were drinks are sold or something. Bars and pubs NEED smoke.
Good thing? That's an EXCELLENT thing! They should even ban smoking in open-air spaces!
I could personally care less whether they ban smoking in public or not, but the smokers have just as much right to that air space as you. Smoking has never bothered me since my friends started smoking.
But some people seem to think smokers are bad people just because they smoke. If you got the problem, go somewhere else
There should be no smoking ban anywhere, period. (With the obvios exception of places like hospitals, etc.) The smoker has the right to smoke where he pleases, and anyone who doesn't like it can either A) Deal with it or B) Go somewhere else. It's ridiculous to think that our country has become so oppresive that we think it is okay to prevent people from smoking in certain places.
I am glad for you, they already passed it in Legislation in New Brunswick banning smoking in public places. I can see why, like said by other members, by smoking in public you are slowly killing the people around you, and endangering their lives. I am sorry if that is what they believe is a "right" they have, but seriously, smoking has no positive effects that I know of. The stuff in cigarrettes is scary, like there is arsnic in cigarrettes, the same stuff you kill rats with. If someone wants to slowly commit suicide then go for it, but do not bring me along for the ride.
Fact: One cigarette takes roughly seven minutes from your life.
True we have no right to tell someone not to smoke.I dont like smokers but i think they should smoke if they want too.Quote:
Originally Posted by nik0tine
People can smoke if they choose. However, they shouldn't be able to do it in public. They are endangering other people. You're telling me that a room full of non-smokers should leave because the ONE smoker is ruining the air? They may own the right to smoke if they want to, but they don't own the air surrounding them. One shouldn't ruin it for the rest. Besides, they can have fun smoking in their own homes.Quote:
Originally Posted by nik0tine
One has the right to smoke if they wish, but when they infringe on someone else's health as well, it becomes a problem. Yes, correct. It is everyone's air. But by that logic, if I enjoyed inhaling highly toxic gas far more damaging than cigarette smoke; why wouldn't I be able to do so in a room full of people? It is everyones air, after all.
Would this not be an infringment of civil liberty? If so, why then, if it was cigarrette smoke, would it not be?
In the US most of the states have already enacted laws banning smoking inside enclosed areas and if there are smoking that each side of the building have different ventalation.So pretty much no business would go through with it so they just say no smoking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
It is a good thing because second hand smoke is horrible.People still get the effects from second hand.ITs a good thing smokers need to smoke outside and if they think thats an inconvience they should just stop smoking.
Why should creating rules to ensure the health and safety of the people be considered oppression? You are granted lesser rights if you are in a relationship of the "wrong" kind and you do not have the right to abort a fetus, which will possibly ruin your life, yet you're obsessed with your right to perform idiocy, such as exposing other people to toxic gasses. I just don't understand this "I have the right to stand in the middle of the city shooting in every direction, so I will. If you dislike being shot just go elsewhere." reasoning.Quote:
Originally Posted by nik0tine
Because it prevents people from doing what they wish.Quote:
Why should creating rules to ensure the health and safety of the people be considered oppression?
What the hell? This makes absolutely no sense. Since when do we not have the rights to abort a fetus? And moreso, how does lack of abortion rights relate to smoking in public?Quote:
You are granted lesser rights if you are in a relationship of the "wrong" kind and you do not have the right to abort a fetus, which will possibly ruin your life, yet you're obsessed with your right to perform idiocy, such as exposing other people to toxic gasses.
This doesn't deserve a comment. The difference between the two scenarios in question is blaringly obvious.Quote:
I just don't understand this "I have the right to stand in the middle of the city shooting in every direction, so I will. If you dislike being shot just go elsewhere." reasoning.
The bottom line here, is that second hand smoke does not harm you in any way, shape, or form. A smoker must smoke for years in order to do any noticeable amount of damage to his or her body. The amount of second hand smoke one will inahle in thier lifetime is minimal. You don't even get the entire cigarette, you get small portions of it. Do you really think that the small amount of smoke you inhale is really going to hurt you? Simple logic says it won't. The argument about how it "infringes upon my health" is complete bull.
Is that not the purpose of all laws? Do you suggest abolishing all laws preventing people from doing what they wish?Quote:
Originally Posted by nik0tine
What about the case a couple of months ago where a 13 year old girl was denied the right to an abortion? I just picked it as an example. What I'm trying to say is that there are several rights you don't have, and still the ones you're complaining about losing are the ones that prevent you from harming other people and you don't need in any way.Quote:
Originally Posted by nik0tine
It is toxic gas. It might not initially kill you, but you can't deny that it affects your health negatively.Quote:
Originally Posted by nik0tineThe bottom line here, is that second hand smoke does not harm you in any way, shape, or form. A smoker must smoke for years in order to do any noticeable amount of damage to his or her body. The amount of second hand smoke one will inahle in thier lifetime is minimal. You don't even get the entire cigarette, you get small portions of it. Do you really think that the small amount of smoke you inhale is really going to hurt you? Simple logic says it won't. The argument about how it "infringes upon my health" is complete bull
i agree with nikotine. im sorry but we dont tell people they cant drink in pubs, its just stupid!
I'm a smoker which might make me a little biased. yes its a terrible habit and should definately not be done around children, im always tryin to be considerate especially around little ones.
But we have the right to do what we want! I don't go round telling heavy drinkers that they're killing their livers, or telling fast food junkies that they're going to have a heart attack by the time theyre 30!
I think more focus should be put on binge drinking and underage binge drinking, and drugs - particularly in europe where its a hell of a bigger threat!
but if your a business owner pretty much you can tell the smokers to light up outside lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkItachi
Definitely NOT. I hate getting all cleaned up, going out to a bar and come home smelling like an ash tray. It's f#ckin' disgusting. Not to mention how bad second hand smoke is for you, especially in a little hotboxed pub. Even if you go to a big pool hall, and play in the non-smoking section, you still smell like it. I can finally go out to a bar, and not have to worry about getting lung cancer, even though I don't smoke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Nexus
Anyways, they just passed the same legislation here too. Smoking hasn't been allowed in public places here for years now, but they finally eradicated it from bars and pubs this past weekend (July 1).
WTF?? What gives a smoker the right to pollute MY air. Smokers will eventually become a minority, and it is smokers who should therefore go someplace else, i.e. outdoors, or go stink up their own home. To have it any other way is just ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by nik0tine
Yes it is okay to prevent people from smoking in certain places. Its harmful to those around them.
No offence meant to those smokers here. I'm just being logical.