Why do you think Yuna and Lenne look alike?

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Originally Posted by karatehero

Yeah, but hows come when Rikku and Paine put on that dress sphere, their outfit is totally different? how come Yuna's matches perfectly.

Plus, there is the thing about the hand shake being similar.

true
but the only physical similaraties and they both have brown hair, the same outfit and the same figure. That is all.

Have you guys not noticed how lenne's eyes are abnormally *huge*?

It's very frightening.

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Originally Posted by boys from the dwarf

spira is similar but it being the world of FF7 is most likely untrue.it doesnt make any references in the games and just hasnt been proved.

Did you manage to catch Rin in the Rin's Mystery side-quest? If so, you'll see Shinra making direct references to the planet's Life-energy and seeking ways to harness it (Mako/Mako Reactors).

I believe Lenna and Yuna are completely unrelated in any way. I believe it was more of a, "Well, I appear to have gotten this ancient artifact, and I can still feel remnants of the old owner's feelings, and they make me act funny." thing. I bet if Rikku got it every one would be like, "Lenne and Rikku are like totaely similur!11!1!one!"

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Originally Posted by rubah

Have you guys not noticed how lenne's eyes are abnormally *huge*?

It's very frightening.

They r very big, ive noticed too! Bah, well, i think her n Yuna look notin alike. I think the only reason Shuyin thawt Yuna was Lenne, cause mayb the dressphere gave off an illution of Lenne, and Shuyin didnt see Yuna's real appearance.

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Originally Posted by Tai-Ti

They r very big, ive noticed too! Bah, well, i think her n Yuna look notin alike. I think the only reason Shuyin thawt Yuna was Lenne, cause mayb the dressphere gave off an illution of Lenne, and Shuyin didnt see Yuna's real appearance.

I have to agree with Tai-Ti, since if any of you saw the end battle against Shuyin, then you will remember that when he first sees Yuna before the battle (she appears to him in the songstress dress-sphere), he sees an "illusion of Lenne" being cast by the sphere, mainly since Lenne's spirit is held within the sphere so her spirit is inside of Yuna whenever Yuna wears the sphere. However, as he approaches Yuna closer, the "illusion of Lenne's spirit" disappears and he realizes that it is Yuna, and not Lenne. Hence the quote he says afterward: "You're not Lenne!" And then his angry rampage of frustration begins since he felt he was deceived, and this causes the final battle between Shuyin!

BTW, didn't Maechen say something about how Shuyin and Tidus are really connected: that Tidus was the dreamed-up version of Shuyin (who really lived in Zanarkand), or something like that (since Tidus lived in the dream-world of Zanarkand)? Or am I mistaken?

I was just curious, does anyone else see the possibility that FFX happened after FFVII?

I mean, I know there is all that 'limitless energy' talk and all that. Maybe they just found something that was long lost. Like, maybe Mako was already around and the knowledge was lost. Something like 1000 years later, Zanarkand was born.

I never came across any answer that said FFX was after FFVII.

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I don't think that they look alike..

its the storyline very good storyline too

i get what ya saying about yuna and lenne but wat about tidus and shuyin the only thing that is diff is shuyin's skin is darker ( they look exactlly the same it's just there was better graphics in x-2 than in x)

Lenne and Yuna

Well alittle but not alot.
They have the same story of course and were both Summoners as well as they had people on there side...
Shuyin and Lenne
Tidus and Yuna
Kind of the same when you think about it.
^_^

Don't think so. They kind of look alike, but I'm pretty sure Lenne is an ancestor of Yuna.

Sorry. I mean, not an ancestor. =) Sorry for the mistake!

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Originally Posted by NightShadow

I think they look the same because Lenne maybe Yuna's ancestor.

This is unlikely to the point of being impossible, actually. Lenne dies at a young age, certainly before bearing any children. Thus, Yuna could not be a direct descendent of Lenne. As to a less direct ancesty, one still must bear in mind that the surviving residents of Zanarkand became Fayth, and the city of Zanarkand was immediately thereafter destroyed by Sin. Even if some relative of Lenne had somehow gone off on his or her own, the continuity of the line brings up many questions. As this is not at all explored in-game, it's extremely improbable at best.

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Originally Posted by Nicolai

but i think that if they are connected, that Yuna is Lenne's reincarnation or something like that. the same goes for Tidus and Shuyin.

It's simply impossible for Yuna to be a reincarnation of Lenne. The following excerpt is taken from my thread-starting post in Tidus and Shuyin: An Analysis.

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Originally Posted by masamune1600

[...]Others have suggested that Tidus is the reincarnation of Shuyin. This has also led to the belief that Yuna is Lenne reincarnated, and that their love was, in a sense, preordained. However, based on the events of and facts revealed in FFX-2, we know that such is far from the case.

Often, in various mythologies, a reincarnated individual retains memories from his former life. Tidus, from what we see in FFX, has no such recollection. While this point does little to disprove a reincarnation theory, it does serve as additional evidence to accompany a host of other points. First, let us recall that Tidus is an Aeon, a Dream. His existence is dependent upon the Dreaming of the Fayth; when the defeat of Yu Yevon at the end of FFX ends the Summoning, the Dreaming ceases and Tidus dies. As a consequence, he goes to the Farplane for two years. We see from this, then, that Tidus’ very existence is dependent upon the fayth. As a result, any basis for spiritual reincarnation would be built on another Dream. It is impossible, in being Dreamt, to move outside this milieu. Tidus, then, could arguably be a reincarnation of Dream Zanarkand’s Shuyin, although there is no reason for this. In any case, he is certainly separated from the real Shuyin, who was never dependent in any way upon Yu Yevon’s Summoning.

Most compelling, however, is the fact that Shuyin still exists in Spira. Consumed by anger, his memories and spirit inhabited the Den of Woe for the 1000 years that followed his death. Shuyin never went to the Farplane; he is, in essence, Unsent. As Shuyin himself is still fully existent in the physical Spira, reincarnation necessarily implies a paradox. Shuyin still exists, which would deny the possibility of spiritual reincarnation.

The original memories point returns more strikingly when we examine Yuna and Lenne. Early in FFX-2, Yuna describes feeling the emotions of another person when utilizing the Songstress Dressphere.

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Yuna: (narrating) My body just started dancing by itself. I didn't know what was
going on. I was...frightened. Then, while I was dancing, something happened...

In the Celsius...

Rikku: (to Yuna) You sure looked like you were enjoying yourself.

Yuna: I was. It felt like some other person's excitement just took over.

Shinra: That can happen when you use the Garment Grid. The emotions of the
person recorded in the sphere pass to the user.

Note that Yuna feels full and complete separation from these memories, even though they controlled her to a degree. They were someone else’s. As the game progresses, and Yuna becomes aware of Lenne’s story, she still feels no connection. Lenne is fully separate, and their physical and professional (Summoner/musician) similarities seem merely coincidental (or symbolic, as the case may be).

Most important, however, is the concert on the Thunder Plains that takes place in Chapter 4. Here, we see the very spirit of Lenne, come out of the Songstress Dressphere. This helps clarify several ideas. Lenne’s soul crystallized to form the Dressphere. During the concert, her spirit emerged without affecting Yuna.

Finally, note that Lenne’s spirit leaves with Shuyin at the end of the game. Clearly, Yuna is no more a reincarnation of Lenne than Tidus is of Shuyin.

Ultimately, any connection between Yuna and Lenne should be understood to be symbolic. While there are a number of rather involuted theories that could possibly account for the resemblance between Tidus and Shuyin, none of them are able to be applied to Yuna and Lenne in the same matter.

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Originally Posted by boys from the dwarf

spira is similar but it being the world of FF7 is most likely untrue.it doesnt make any references in the games and just hasnt been proved.

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Originally Posted by abrojtm

Did you manage to catch Rin in the Rin's Mystery side-quest? If so, you'll see Shinra making direct references to the planet's Life-energy and seeking ways to harness it (Mako/Mako Reactors).

This matter is frequently confused. It's impossible for FFVII and FFX/X-2 to take place on the same planet, as Gaia and Spira are entirely different worlds. That having been said, it's possible (though no certainty) that there is a thread linking the stories. Here's something I recently wrote concerning this view.

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Originally Posted by masamune1600

[...]As to a connection between FFVII and FFX/X-2, it is inescapably false that the games take place on the same world. Gaia and Spira are different planets. However, Kazushige Nojima, who wrote scenarios for the games in question, suggested in an interview that "in (his) mind" the games were connected. Ostensibly, the descendents of Shinra eventually travelled through space to Gaia, having been unable to harness the potential power of the Farplane. Hence, we got Shinra (the company) and Mako reactors and such. Daisuke Watanabe and Motumo Toriyama (the Scenario Planner and Director for FFX-2, respecitvely) also seemed to agree with the idea in the interview, although neither really had anything to do with FFVII.

This has basically led to a debate whereby some people fervently argue for direct storyline connection between VII and X/X-2, while others (myself included) oppose the idea. From my point of view, the Farplane energy scene in FFX-2...

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Shinra: Aha...

Yuna: What are you looking at?

Shinra: Farplane data. The more I study it, the more fascinating it gets. There's limitless energy swirling around in there.

Yuna: Limitless energy?

Shinra: The life force that flows through our planet...I think. With a little work, we could probably extract the energy in a useable form.

Brother: Sweet!

Shinra: Of course, that'd take generations.

Brother: That's no fun!

Buddy: Well, still, it is something worth shooting for.

Yuna: Think how much Spira would change if we ever got it to work! Maybe one day we could build a city full of light, one that never sleeps!

Shinra: No doubt about it.

Yuna: Just imagine! But I'll never get to see it...will I...

(Shinra shakes his head no)

Brother: Shinra! Don't make Yuna sad!

Shinra: Right. My bad.

...is merely referential. Few people, after all, suggest that the story of Josef being utilized in FFIX (for example) proves direct correlation to FFII. Were it left as mere reference, I would have greatly enjoyed the scene. Unfortunately, Nojima himself (who is, admittedly, an authority in the topic) suggests that this indicates connection.

That being said, there are a number of factors that would seem to deny connectivity. First, Nojima was not the sole agent involved in the development of the story of FFVII. Hironobu Sakaguchi, Tetsuya Nomura, and Yoshinori Kitase were also instrumental in leading FFVII to its ultimate plot. Nomura and Kitase, incidentally, are both very active in the Compilation, and neither has offered any real support of Nojima's personal reading. It will require their approval (or at least acceptance)i of the idea for it to be included in the Compilation. If there is nothing canonical (basically, in the games) to truly indicate the connection, then it does not exist.

Further, given the differences and inconsistencies between Gaia and Spira, it would take a massive amount of effort to even begin to close the plotholes and inconsistencies such a link would create. The Compilation is about FFVII, not FFX/X-2, and it seems unlikely that the subject could be given full treatment within the Compilation. Even if that were done, some inconsistencies are so radical that I don't think they can be explained away effectively.

And, finally, Shinra's descendents travelling to Gaia and intermingling with the Cetra, or something on that order, simply strikes me as bad storytelling. But then again, that's simply my take on the debate. Until the Compilation itself is available for examination, the question has no true answer.

Clearly, my tone is biased, and I fully admit that I oppose the theory. That having been said, the Nojima interview by itself does not come close to making the concept canonical. We'll have a better idea when the entirety of the Compilation of FFVII is available for examination.

what the hell are you guys talikng about yuna and lenne look the same not casue there blood sister or what ever you guys are saying they look the same casue TESUYA NOMURA desing them to look like each other for the game god damn there f/// video game charcter nothing more thats why they look alike casue TESUYA NOMURA desinged them like that ok nothing more .