Really.
I disagree.
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Really.
I disagree.
Oh, it's total war, and it's NO WHERE NEAR one-sided. America has, one way or another, been crushing islam since the end of WW2. Or haven't you heard about Israel, and how their entire military ordinance is American weaponry? Israel was using our guns, flying our planes, and dropping our bombs when they fought against the arab nations and claimed the territory now known as Palistine. Hell, they were even paying their soldiers using OUR money.
And don't think for a second that Israel wasn't killing plenty of civilians during THAT engagement. If anything, after 9/11, they finally caught up the death toll. Perhaps surpassed us, perhaps not, but brought it as close to even as it's ever been. Of course, when we were doing our part to destroy them, we weren't pissed off.
They may have blood on their hands, but no more than we. And ours, it's been there FAR longer.
Of course a damn government has "blood on its hands". It's been around a hell of a lot longer than Islamo-Fascist extremism. Sorry. I'm all for the Muslim family down the street, but I drop the peaceful co-existence idea when a group starts throwing bombs our way.
Yeah, well, to continue the analogy, stop helping the family that stole their old home!!! We started this war, the USA and the UN, when we helped Israel's creation.
They're fighting it in a very bloody, deadly, and horrifying way. (Not to mention futile). But they're fighting the only way they can.
The Israeli thing is a huge mess, admittedly. The problem is that the farther back we go, the more that land changes hands. It's ultimately a matter of religion, and it's ridiculous for any of us to get involved.
I don't care how justified they (the Islamo-Fascist groups) might feel - nothing can justify their actions or the opression of their people.
And, as you probably know, the only reason Israel can stand is due to assistance from the USA. We stop supplying them, their military will colapse. And when that happens, they will be destroyed, and the holy land retaken by the islamic peoples.
Israel knows this, which is why they didn't simply massacre the rest of the middle east. And with our military tech, and their total disregard for the arabic peoples, they could do it with little difficulty.
And the terrorists know this. Hence the target on us. And since our people choose our government(s)... the USA is most despised, but they're not great fans of Europe, either. You can see that civilians aren't entirely free from blame, and thus, are not free from that target zone.
You'd think they'd send us a hallmark card considering we've helped open new bases for them all over the world :eep:
And while some may think it's bad that they had or have oppressive governments, some of these governments are stable for the time being (Iraq was secular and stable albeit oppressive, but we've gone and turned it into a fractioned clustersmurf of 3 different countries run by a theocratic government). If we didn't waste our time going after oppressive governments to "install freedom", we wouldn't be wasting lives and money that could actually be put to a use. You fight terrorists and such with police and the spies, not with the military.
Then how would you define them and who would have the power to define them? Every action you'll ever make will cause positive change for someone/something, no matter how immoral it seems to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hachifusa
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Originally Posted by Old Manus
we started this war. forcing the arabs out of israel, supporting oppressive regimes, switching sides when it suited us. it is our fault this war is at this stage.
these people are just fighting a total war. a dead nurse is one person who can't help the injured, a dead policeman is one less person to catch them, a dead anyone is less tax money to fight the war.
But we don't aim to fight a war against civilians. They do. You say we gave as good as we got, but what the hell else could we do.
We COULD have left them alone in the first place. Asking that, now, is like asking how to make a swarm of angry hornets stop stinging after you just broke their nest off the tree. In other words "we done ****ed up". But, we're pretty much committed to an all-or-nothing at this point.
If somebody I had never seen before walked up to me and punched me in the face, I wouldn't say "Ow, you just hurt me badly." and walk off.
The vikings were ruthless raiders whenever they landed a shore. I have read describtions of them being devils.
At home the vikings were slightly uncoth but much more civilized and kind then thier raiding would leave you to believe.
Same with terrorists. It is very possibly for them to be kind. Though it doesn't neccesarily need to be so. You can't just look at an enemy and go "they aren't on our side so they are evil". Crap hits the fan during wars. And that is exactly what terrorists are doing. True they should be hitting military instalations instead of civilian areas; however, I am sure we all recall the US and its Atom Bomb.
They could be kind, but aren't neccisarily kind. I just wish they would start hitting military targets. Striking civilians is only going to continue this circle of pain and bloodshed.
Exactly. Too bad we westerners are the strangers who punched them, first. Gotta admire their tenacity, though. How many people do you know that won't stop the fight, even though they're getting their ass handed to them? Of course, doesn't say a lot about their judgement, but it's still damned impressive tenacity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Manus