Miles transcends genre.
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Miles transcends genre.
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Yeah, that's what I would argue.
Who makes up the genre names these days and where does s/he live?
Progressive trance is not a terrible thing in and of itself, but it did signal the great downfall of trance into the horrible mess of anthemic, mainstreamy stupidness. I'll take old school acid trance over progressive trance any day of the week. Progressive trance is the reason why trance has been made the laughing stock of the electronic music world. Well, that and Robert Miles. These two elements combined to form the most evil and insipid musical force in history: epic trance. What was once an odd, quirky, space agey, trippy, hypnotic and completely off-your-rocker crazy form of dance music became co-opted by Der Überkorporation, resulting in the complete gentrification and commercialization of it. Progressive trance wasn't that bad in and of itself, but it paved the way for DJ Sammy, which is simply unforgiveable. Progressive house is actually pretty good stuff, but the scene attached to it suffers from H.U.A. syndrome, and Sasha is an absolute twit, even if he IS responsible for Xpander, the one trance track that makes people who hate trance like trance.
For the record:
Progressive trance is the style of trance that introduced (and by "introduced" I mean "chiseled forever in stone so that none may dare derivate") the concept of breakdowns and buildups to trance. You know the score, breakdown for 16 bars, then buildup with a drum roll, then onto the meat n potatoes of the song. Examples would be Greece 2000 by Three Drives On A Vinyl or Gamemaster by Lost Tribe
Acid trance is a whole different animal entirely. It has no idea where it's going, and you won't either, but it goes there at warp speed. That and it doesn't have those silly pop jingles embedded into them. Examples would be Acperience by Hardfloor and Red Herring by Union Jack. Unfortunately the music died because pop culture couldn't identify with a scene that doesn't care about image or "hero" worship.
Is one better than the other? No, "better" is a personal call. However, the more underground forms of trance (acid, goa, tribal etc.) are a lot less irritating for someone who feels his or her scene has been sold down the river by MTV.
Ministry of Sound :shoot:
To the extent that Miles Davis played prog music, he did it in the mid-to-late 70s on albums like Get Up With It and Live Evil, which are awesome, but that would put him closer to The Wall than to Zappa, chronologically.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yamaneko
i love club music....prog house tops the list...hrmm i wanna be a dj. :)
Dream Theater, Symphony X, Liquid Tension Experiment, Tool, Ayreon and Opeth are all great prog bands.
Those are the only prog groups I have thus far been accustomed to, but I'm sure my all-prog Winamp playlist will extend beyond the stars sooner or later. :D
You need some older progressive rock bands. That's what you need.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShaunOfShadou
Oh and Ozric Tentacles.
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examples maybbbQuote:
Originally Posted by Optium
And Porcupine Tree and Änglagård. But I mostly agree that the golden age was in the 70's, particularly between '70-'75, with exception of Pink Floyd.
Alright, some examples.
Get these albums (*denotes the more important ones if there are a lot):
- Fragile, and Close to the Edge by Yes
- Greatest Hits*, A Salty Dog, Procol Harum, and Live with the Edmonton
Symphony Orchestra* by Procol Harum- A lot of stuff by Genesis, I don't know all their albums too well, maybe
Yam can fill you in on those guys.- In the Court of the Crimson King by King Crimson
- Aqualung, and Thick as a Brick by Jethro Tull
- Tarkus*, Brain Salad Surgery, Pictures at an Exhibition, and Trilogy*
by Emerson, Lake and Palmer- Jurassic Shift, and Erpland by Ozric Tentacles (they have a ton of
albums and they're all good, if you can find some live stuff by them that's
also amazing [bt.etree.org for their shows], so I'd say get anything
you can by them, but start with those 2 albums probably)- Also, if you like Liquid Tension check out Gordian Knot.
Also note, the singer/guitarist/bassist from Emerson, Lake and Palmer
is the singer/guitarist from the original King Crimson (Greg Lake), and
the bassist from King Crimson after their first album was Tony Levin,
the bassist of Liquid Tension Experiment.
Those are some of the most popular classic prog bands, and for good
reason. Hope you can find that stuff easily and get into it. :)
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With Genesis start off with Nursery Cryme, as it's their first truely progressive album. Move onto Foxtrot and Selling England By The Pound afterwards. The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway is their most dense album, so leave that till last. The two albums after Peter Gabriel left, A Trick of the Tail, and Wind and Wuthering are still very good album, but after Steve Hackett left don't even bother. By the time Duke was released it was Phil Collins' band and there was no turning back.
King Crimson-wise, start with In The Court Of The Crimson King. You might want to noodle around with their subsequent albums between In The Court and Larks' Tongue in Aspic, but after In The Court I'd suggest going straight to Larks' Tongue in Aspic. Note, though, Larks' Tongue in Aspic is a completely different sound than In The Court, a better sound I'd argue and a better representation of the band.
I'll add some other suggestions later.