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I think what everyone meant is that the reasons for the war itself weren't needed, i.e. Germany shouldn't have tried to invade anyone to begin with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
Also, "japs" is a very derogatory slang term, please don't use it.
sorry point taken.
WW2 can actually be seen as a continuation of WWI. The conditions after the first war, (i.e. the Treaty of Versailles) greatly contributed to Hitlers rise to power. I don't think 9-11 is the same as Hiroshima and Nagasaki, though. We were already at war, and an invasion of Japan would have been a bloodbath. The A-bomd could conceivably be seen as the lesser of two evils. 9-11 was just evil.
9-11 was just a continuation of a war. and it's a war that was killing people and maybe if the us had pulled out of suadi and other countries then maybe there would have been less blood.
not my view but a possible one.
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Originally Posted by bipper
Also I agree that they did not fully comprehend the ramifications of nuclear weapons. Ever watch Atomic Cafe? Though this was post WWII and into the Cold War, they still advertise for kids to hide under tables when the siren went off indicating a nuclear attack. Also the US was training military officers to come in after a nuclear attack to kill the survivors. At least according to this documentary. It really shows a lack of information concerning the after affects of a nuclear attack.
The Atom Bomb and 9/11 are both rather different evils. I don't like either of them, but there is still a difference. The Atom bomb was almost necessary for us to win WWII, though the civilian casualties were far worse than the 9/11 casualties, thus it ended so many innocent lives. 9/11, however, was completely unpredictable (Though They say that the government was given some clues), and served a different purpose; to start a war, not to end one. It really doesn't matter which was worse. They were both horrible and tragic acts, and neither of them should have happened. Sadly, there is nothing we can do to change that. All we can do now is try to insure that nothing like it ever happens again.
I admit, I'm a bit of a conspiracy theorist (Mainly when it comes to the JFK assassination) but I don't believe this is true. However, I do believe that Bush is trying to protect Saudi Arabia even though it is very likely (Some even say obvious) that they were connected to the attack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoden
It wouldn't surprise me considering how much money their family has tied up in business with Saudi Arabia.Quote:
Originally Posted by TurkSlayer
Exactly why I think he is protecting them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying Mullet
We didn't dance about it. My grandmother started crying, sixty years later, about the bombs. Painting the picture of the Americans reveling in death is hardly a fair thing to do. We can debate the morality of the issue all we want, but if it was self-protection, then I have no problem with it. One thing that we cannot try to do is compare the reactions of the Americans with the atomic bomb and the reactions of the Islamo-Fascists in the Middle East. They are not even close to the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
Funny, becuase most Americans don't feel threatened whatsoever. OK, you're right. They got us that one time. Then we went on full attack. If there is one thing I am proud of being an American it's that I won't sit idly by and fear an unknown evil as if the universe is out to get us. I was willing to fight. We, the collection of individuals known as the American people, are ready to fight.Quote:
9-11 basicly was the same threat on a lower scale. it was showing us what they can do and will continue to do.
Even if you are against America, if you really support the sort of tragedy as 9/11, then I think you should check yourself. It's probably not healthy.
There has been? I've always thought that Bush and his administration may have known it was coming, and that they intentionally allowed it to happen so they could have an excuse to do what they felt needed to be done in the world.Quote:
I'm going to get shouted at for this but there has been a conspiracy 9/11 was planned by America.
No, the second world war was not needed. Had Hitler not invaded europe and the japs invade asia it would have been fine, now wouldn't it? Unless you think hitler and the japanese were justified in their invasions then you cannot in any way think that WW2 was justified.Quote:
the second world war was needed. it would have been worse to have the japs enslave asia and have germany enslave europe
Evil Begets Evil. Good deeds open a window to evil eyes.
This was an old saying I was told in fourth grade (Navajo I think). It makes a ton of sense as no matter how good your intentions, evil will spawn off of them.
People want to worship, and wish to be left alone from rival religions. This comiled with old feuds and unrested differences create many of the worlds conflicts. IT has since day one.
This forum holds a lot of evidence to different ideals colliding. It just never really ends well.
No, the second world war was not needed. Had Hitler not invaded europe and the japs invade asia it would have been fine, now wouldn't it? Unless you think hitler and the japanese were justified in their invasions then you cannot in any way think that WW2 was justified.[/QUOTE]Quote:
Originally Posted by nik0tine
Point was that the retaliation to Hitler and the Japanese was needed. To condemn every party involved in the war for simply being involved is a flawed idea. And it would come across to some that by condemning the war, they are condemning even the parties who were justified in fighting, even if their actions during the fighting were deserving of condemnation.
hachifusa millions flocked onto trafalgar square at vj. after we had just nuked two cities. and times square.
http://www.evanderputten.org/vjday.jpg
and there's a a famous photo of a couple kissing that day too.
http://www.contrasto.it/img/timessquare258_img.jpg
not exactly the sombre mood one would expect after you wipe out a few hundred thousand people. seems many people were happy.
i never said at all in this thread that i supported 9-11. i was just trying to put it in context of other world events.
You have twisted that sitaution to a horrible, horrible degree. They weren't celebrating because they had nuked Japan, they were celebrating because the war was over.
i know why they were celebrating. but that war was ended by the nuking of two cities. that was not taken into consideration and there does not seem to be an air of concern about the fact that that was done. yes the war was over. but for that we had just killed a few hundred thousand innocents. and noone gave a damn.