Dont you just love hardcore pointless/plotless MMO games?

I guess your views are all accurate. Your experiences may simply suffer from a lack of community, or a lack of imagination, etc. I am not going to say that everyone should be happy killing rabbid goats all day.

I think that the delusion of being the best, and being the most famous on games are what hinders them. People are used to playing solo games coontrolling the major motivators in a story.

I must admit that the mmo worlds are all very static, and indeed hard to 'get into' but as far as level grinding being an annoyance, I find it to be only part of the joy of a game. The story that one plays, does not have to be the soilder whom destroys the greatest evil in the game and ladida. I think MMO's are in fact geared VERY differently. Accept your role as a team member, or a smaller soilder that can have an effect, but not the solo effect. IT is frustraiting at times, when things don't go your way, but I love the dynamic feeling of *some* of those games I have played.

Again, I think MUDS were the best, as there was often a level grind, but leveling was not at all the main point of the game. The fun Roleplay and unique events made em tons of fun ;) I am not a fan of the games where level grinding is the only aspect either, but if I play them, I always find a way to entertain myself. It is possible ;)

Bipper

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Originally Posted by bipper

I guess your views are all accurate. Your experiences may simply suffer from a lack of community, or a lack of imagination, etc. I am not going to say that everyone should be happy killing rabbid goats all day.

I think that the delusion of being the best, and being the most famous on games are what hinders them. People are used to playing solo games coontrolling the major motivators in a story.

I must admit that the mmo worlds are all very static, and indeed hard to 'get into' but as far as level grinding being an annoyance, I find it to be only part of the joy of a game. The story that one plays, does not have to be the soilder whom destroys the greatest evil in the game and ladida. I think MMO's are in fact geared VERY differently. Accept your role as a team member, or a smaller soilder that can have an effect, but not the solo effect. IT is frustraiting at times, when things don't go your way, but I love the dynamic feeling of *some* of those games I have played.

Again, I think MUDS were the best, as there was often a level grind, but leveling was not at all the main point of the game. The fun Roleplay and unique events made em tons of fun ;) I am not a fan of the games where level grinding is the only aspect either, but if I play them, I always find a way to entertain myself. It is possible ;)

Bipper

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I wouldn't mind being a small person having a small effect. But I do want to have an effect, which isn't possible if there is no opponent. The main point of having a villain is that you have someone to strike against, you can see changes happening, even if they aren't from you. If a world is just filled with tons of monsters, what's the point? You fight a monster and another shows up. Boring. There is nothing to accomplish. No villains to fight, nothing to do. Except randomly kill monsters and upset the ecological system of the world (which gets old fast).

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Originally Posted by bipper

I think MMO's are in fact geared VERY differently. Accept your role as a team member, or a smaller soilder that can have an effect, but not the solo effect.

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A worthy argument. However part and parcel of the reason I just don't enjoy. I have reality in which to be nobody. I don't need to pay 40 quid followed by another 18 or so every month for the privilage.

Also just in truth that even that argument still doesn't feel true to me. YOu don't as little person have even a little effect. Yeah... Mathilda Devon may think you're kinda cool and a monster slayer from hell... But neither you, nor her, nor any of your friends move the game into it's next stage, not even all the players as a whole. Nope, it;s just some Dev who suddenly go's "hey... i'm kinda bored now... should we.. you know? Get people interested vaguely again and pretend we have story?" and suddenly on it moves.

I'm glad someone's enjoying them... and as the numbers would have it you're clearly not alone... But there's not nearly enough interactiveness there for me yet.

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Originally Posted by Hsu

But then again, PSO has an actual story and reason for playing ;)

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PSO has one of the weakest and most basic plots of the major online RPGs available right now.

I absolutely loathe Ragnarok Online. Which is why, when I find a decent server with friends to play it with, it will promptly consume my life once more.

And no, the only MMORPG I've ever paid for was FFXI, and I hate than even more than I do RO; I honestly just don't see the point in paying REPEATEDLY to play a game that's not even that fun. MMORPG's, as a whole, suck. They're not good games. Or at least, they're not good single player games; they only really come to life when playing with others, and why would I want to pay for a game that's not particularly good most of the time? Especially considering the fact that I've only bought about, thirty games ever in my life, and that's pretty low considering I've been a gamer for like, well over a decade XD

The major problem with MMORPGs is that people who really shouldn't be playing MMORPGs are playing them.

The basic idea behind an MMORPG is that it allows players to ROLE PLAY. Take on the persona of, for example, a fantasy character and direct them through a world in which they can interact in that method. You know, the kind of thing people have been doing with D&D for decades.

Unfortunately, MMORPGs generally lack the people who really do want to roleplay, as well as an intuitive system that allows for the flexibility to do more than just go out and slaughter monsters. That is really their ultimate failing.

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Originally Posted by Behold the Void

The major problem with MMORPGs is that people who really shouldn't be playing MMORPGs are playing them.

The basic idea behind an MMORPG is that it allows players to ROLE PLAY. Take on the persona of, for example, a fantasy character and direct them through a world in which they can interact in that method. You know, the kind of thing people have been doing with D&D for decades.

Unfortunately, MMORPGs generally lack the people who really do want to roleplay, as well as an intuitive system that allows for the flexibility to do more than just go out and slaughter monsters. That is really their ultimate failing.

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I take on a persona in fantasy games all the time. Taking on the persona, however, is no fun if you don't have anything to do in that persona. What good is there in playing a character if that character never does anything interesting?

MMORPGs - MSN, with weapons.