United States: One Nation under ...??...

Personally, I have no allegiance to a piece of fabric. I am proud of where I'm from, but I do have my issues with it. I think the pledge is unnecessary. This is not a Christian nation. It was founded under the idea of religious freedom, which includes freedom from religion. I you actually read the writings of some of our fore fathers (Especially Jefferson) they had no plans to make any part of our country Christian.
If people want to live in a country governed by religion, they should try living in Iran.


EDIT - I think that 'In God We Trust' should be scrapped from out coins too....

The phrase "In god we trust" is just a much nicer way of saying "This [img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img] is worthless metal" Basically the phrase means that in this day and age our money has no precious metal backing like in the past (when $1 was worth X amount of gold, and was only used as basically a deed to the gold in the federal reserve. in the current world, our money is calculated based on our entire economic system, you can't just cruise up to the federal reserve, turn in your buck and ask for your gold anymore. Our money has no backing, so we trust that our economy will hold else it becomes worthless.


Also, i don't get the bitching. It's the pledge, what are they going to do, suspend you if you don't say it? you don't believe in "under god", don't say it. You don't like this country? don't say it. It's a retarded argument either for or against "under god." I mean, really. You're swearing your allegiance to a scrap of fabric waving in the breeze, and to a country most of us bitch about on a daily basis. it's just rocking the boat for the sake of rocking the boat. wanna cry about something? How about Taxes. The Death Penalty. Abortion. Racial Injustice. Go rant about Mumia being locked up or why that poor little cute cuban boy couldn't stay in Miami. Rant about pointless wars and foreign dictators. Theres a helluva lot that's more important than "under god"

There are more important things to discuss in this country. I see a big difference between adding "intelligent design" to public school’s curriculum and fighting to remove "Under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance. People like to complain about the most insignificant things.

I don't say the pledge anymore.. I put my left hand over my heart and look the other direction.

Who honestly gives a rats ass whether its in there or not? I couldn't give two hoots whether its in there or not, because it doesn't affect my life. If you believe it affects your life, two measly words which for some reason you are just to damn stubborn just to ignore it, you need to reevaluate your life. If you don't like, nobody's forcing you to say it, and I'll be damned until someone tries to force it on me.

However, the principle should not care about what other people think, or their beliefs, because that's not his job. His job is to manage a school properly, and I believe that sends a wrong message to others on how his school is preformed.

Hawkeye's got it right. I really don't give a [img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img]. =)

True, it doesn't really affect my life, and I could live without changes. However, the concept of brainwashing American children into being patriots bothers me. (Not that it's very affective, mind you.) It's just a dormant immorality in our public school system, and I think it should go. (Not just the under god thing, I'm talking about the entire pledge in general)

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Originally Posted by Hawkeye

Who honestly gives a rats ass whether its in there or not? I couldn't give two hoots whether its in there or not, because it doesn't affect my life. If you believe it affects your life, two measly words which for some reason you are just to damn stubborn just to ignore it, you need to reevaluate your life. If you don't like, nobody's forcing you to say it, and I'll be damned until someone tries to force it on me.

However, the principle should not care about what other people think, or their beliefs, because that's not his job. His job is to manage a school properly, and I believe that sends a wrong message to others on how his school is preformed.

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I had to say it throughout school. I got in trouble in some instances if I didn't. You're damn right I cared. You're not in the same situation as everyone else, and that doesn't mean everyone who's not exactly like you has to "re-evaluate" their life.

But yeah, take it out completely. It's insulting for it to still be in there...to our constitution and to Christianity.

I vote we replace it with "Hey America you're so fine, you're so fine you blow my mind, America!"

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Originally Posted by yingyang

I don't say the pledge anymore.. I put my left hand over my heart and look the other direction.

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Oh my gosh, I thought I was the only one who didn't say the pledge at our school. (She and I go to the same school folks) xD I'm glad you're with me A. Also you know how lazy I am too and I dont like talking a lot in the morning, I'm too tired. When I was younger I used to say it because it was encouraged and I also didn't really think about it a whole lot and just said it. I'm kind of taking a break from religion and really trying to look at things from a different point of view now, so until I really figure out what I believe, I'll just keep my mouth shut when we say the pledge every morning.

Things are beginning to change quickly at our school. Last year all of a sudden we had "tuesday worship" (which I didn't like because they trashed the orchestra room) and we have that thing where kids wake up at 6AM and stand by the flag and pray and stuff. x.x Then this year and last year, people handed out bibles. We're not teaching evolution anymore. Pshh. We're a public school! Granted these things aren't mandatory, but it still bugs me. x.x This is not my image of a public school, soon enough we'll be wearing school uniforms and saying a Hail Mary every morning.

Wow, I'm angry that religion is affecting my life and my school? I guess it was bound to happen.

I agree, take "under god" and all that god stuff out.

The pledge is ridiculous. Why pledge allegiance when it's frced upon you anyway? This nation forces patriotism, and anything less is 'wrong'. Fools.

That principal has the right idea. Political Correctness is the fairest way to do things, though i would prefer the pledge just be forgotten.

Please don't teach your kids the pledge.

Kamiko: WTF? They can't legally do that!

People seem to be awfully afraid of two little words. If you don't like it, don't say it, it just seems that simple. I find it a bit funny that people dub saying "one nation under god" as brainwashing. Yes, fear the 1950's attempt to breach the barriers of communism. I know I'd be afraid for my kids:mad:

The words are biased. It is, in a way, implying that in order to be a good american, you must be a good christian. The principal has a good idea, because it eliminates this unfairness.

We are guaranteed freedom to choose our own religion, not freedom from exposure to anything we don't agree with. You don't like it, don't say it. Stop bitching, it's only thirty seconds of your morning. Whether you like it or not, this nation was founded under God, and freedom of religion does not mean freedom from religion. You don't have the right to never be offended. Sit down, shut up, and get over it.

Yeah because guys, if you aren't Christian, you fail at life, as just presented eloquently by our friend here. I think people blow the whole Under God thing out of proportion, but I think it's perfectly understandable for people to be upset when they utter a couple words that does not sit true with their lifestyle. Preach tolerance and try to see their point of view instead of telling people to shut up- oh wait, you seem to be in a religious majority. My mistake.

Let's send people back into the dark ages by forcing them into religion. That'll work. The land of the free indeed.