From another thread: more plot conflicts ?
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Originally Posted by Masamune∙1600
Yu Yevon, as I've tried to make clear, is not a "cruel monster." Cruelty implies intent.. There is nothing else, good or bad, there.
I granted this point already. What I question is what was Yu Yevon before he became the "thing" that he is now. Why did he submit himself to being it ? Why did he cast Sin ? Didn't he - the Yu Yevon that was still human - know that like Vegnagun, his Sin would do a lot more harm than good ?
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Sin should not really be compared to the power of "other Aeons" because Sin is not an Aeon. Sin, as repeatedly demonstrated, is a shell. It is armor.. It is an armor that, as constituted, realizes itself in destruction.
OK, now I understand. I just question the need for destruction, not because it doesn't make sense but because it bothers me, the senseless , mindless killing, with no point, not even an "evil point" to it like greed, lust for power, revenge, etc.. It is not very fun to write about mindless killing
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Yu Yevon's purpose in Summoning Dream Zanarkand, as stated, is to preserve the memory ...
Not sure it was Yu Yevon. Someone summoned Dream Zanarkand and all the fayth plus this someone did it because they wished "to preserve the memory.."
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Yu Yevon was an enemy of Bevelle; he was the leader of Zanarkand, which Bevelle fought. The Yevonite religion is effectively a corrupt power structure, similar to the Glabados Church of Final Fantasy Tactics. With Yevon, the original premise is derivative of an idea revolving around Yu Yevon, but never actually involved the Summoner. This is explained by Maechen.
OK now I believe you missed something of what Maechen and Yunalesca said. Bevelle had NO REASON to glorify Yu Yevon, their enemy and the killer of their people. Bevelle could have just as well made a religion where Yu Yevon was the "Demon" who brought Sin to Spira (which is closer to the truth, actually) and put one of their Maesters as God or Sacred Teacher.
What I understood from Maechen, Mikka and Yunalesca is that Bevelle was forced into gloryfying Yu Yevon by Yu Yevon himself (before he turned into a thingy ?) or, as Maechen insinuates, by Yunalesca bent on preserving her father's honorable name in spite of him joining the mass murder business..
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Dream Zanarkand itself does not have a given religion, at least so far as we are told. It is merely a continuation of the original Zanarkand.
Not true. Dream Zanarkand has no Aeons, no fayth and no monsters, as all is new to Tidus and he doesn't even have a sword when he starts the game, being a citizen of Dream Zanarkand. We know the Zanarkand of the fayth had 2 summoners at least: Lenne and Yu Yevon and it had fayth or at least people in it knew that fayth existed.
Dream Zanarkand is quite different from Spira's Zanarkand as you said it yourself in another post.
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realize that one does not have to "die" to become a Final Aeon; one allows Yunalesca to turn them into a Fayth, which is not exactly the same thing. Also realize that such a comparison is nonsensical to begin with since Sin is not an Aeon, and does not need a Fayth for realization.
Agreed. I'm still confused as to why Yu Yevon needs a final Aeon's fayth if Sin is not an Aeon
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Originally Posted by Masamune∙1600
Also, it seems that the Final Summoning itself doesn't cause death, but rather that the Summoner is killed (ironically) by the Final Aeon, after it is possessed. The implication is that the Aeon, not the process of summoning causes death. This is made clear as Yuna's Aeons attack the party after being possessed by Yu Yevon.
This quote from another post of yours really fit with my "dark side of the force" theory for Yu Yevon's power. The gentle Aeons that Yuna can summon before getting the "Final Aeon" are no match for the mean SOB's Yu Yevon can summon, like Sin. To beat Sin or at least to pierce it, you need a "Dark Aeon", one that will kill indiscriminately
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Fan fiction often deviates from the established canon and mythology of its source, whether a video game, book, movie, or whatever. If you wish to write according to the parameters you've created, then so be it
Agreed
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However, because a notion appeals to you does not mean that it fits the established mythology of the game--in this case, it clearly doesn't.
My motivation to be puzzling so much about this issue is my Fan Fiction piece. But I don't want to make FFX fit into my fiction. Just the opposite: I want to understand FFX better to better write my fan fiction. If I'm wrong, and what I think is happening in FFX is not what is in the game I want to know it and I want to fix it in my writtings.
Sometimes I deviate from the mythology a bit, on purpose: I said it very clearly in my last post that I know Yu Yevon is, and has been for the past 1,000 years, a "thing" incapable of motivation. I just write some motivation for him in my FF because I think it is more "dramatic". In my view it is an acceptable deviation of the mythology, just to add more dramatic tension. But I certainly don't want to reinvent the entire FFX mythology. I just want to understand it better so I can write better about it
