i wonder what ultemicia's real name

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Originally Posted by TheAbominatrix

Well, can we be sure the history of this final battle made it to Ultimecia's time? I mean, yeah she knows about SeeDs and all, but would the story of Sorceress Ultimecia pass on that far, given the very few people who knew about it? Would it be common knowledge to the average person, to whoever her parents were?

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Considering the world-wide consequences that resulted from Ultimecias pursuit of time compression (ie. full scale war between nations, assasination of Galbadian President, battle and destruction of Gardens etc.), it is obvious enough that these events would be recorded, and considering that we still remember Ceasar, the events of the game would clearly be remembered.

The question then becomes whether or not Squall and Co decided to go on record explaining that Edea was being possessed by Ultimecia, or if they decided to simply let Edea take the blame. Considering the characters close relationship to Edea, I doubt thet'd let her go down in history as such a terrible despot, in which case the only alternative is to come clean on Ultimecia. If so, she would definitely be remembered, and studied in countless history books, and like Ceasar is a household name even today, Ultimecia would be too. Ultimecias case is extra special, as she wouldn't have been born yet. In other words, everyone would know that Ultimecia would be born and rise to power and kill a lot of innocent people etc. That fact greatly strengthens the idea that Ultimecias name would be well known...

I dont doubt that the events would be recorded, but would the information of this Sorceress be released to the public as a whole? Would this information suvive that far into the future? As has been said, very few people knew about Ultimecia... Edea doesnt seem to be persecuted very thoroughly after all the events... then again, who knows?

And then again, maybe Ultimecia had psychotic parents that wanted this to come about?

Or maybe Square didnt bother to think about this xD

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Originally Posted by TheAbominatrix

I find your question really interesting, now that I understand what you were asking :)

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As do I, now it seems more likely that Ultimecia is a name she gave to herself in order to allow herself to at least age old enough to whenever it is she was killed.

Regarding what Bahamut said, Ultimecia would be a household name. So if Ultimecia was born, her parents named her Ultimecia, then she would be killed in order to stop time compression but this did not happen for one of the following reasons :

1) She was born under another name, and then changed it to Ultimecia for protection.
2) Time is set in stone, she would be able to become an adult no matter what her name and the dangers of having said name.

I'd say it's the latter, but that's another argument in another thread...or perhaps it's both?

Personally, I don't think that most of the world knew about Ultimecia--if the information survived, it was only within the Garden, and SeeD--which apparently /did/ survive to that point. I personally favor the idea that SeeD became much more militant, but.

A name like 'Ultimecia' is something that you take on, like warlords gave themselves names to strike fear into their enemies. I doubt that she was /born/ with that name (unless, of course, we use the Japanese 'Artemesia' or however it's spelled, which might be a more normal name), but instead adopted it, as suggested earlier. Whether she did this knowing who 'Ultimecia' was in the past (maybe, maybe not) or simply because it reflected her desire for ultimate power I couldn't say, but the latter seems more organic, to me, and more reflecting of a realistic world.

I smell more fanfiction on this topic.

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Personally, I don't think that most of the world knew about Ultimecia--if the information survived, it was only within the Garden, and SeeD--which apparently /did/ survive to that point. I personally favor the idea that SeeD became much more militant, but.

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If you go through Delling city you find that there are people who know about her.

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Originally Posted by Qurange

Whether she did this knowing who 'Ultimecia' was in the past (maybe, maybe not) or simply because it reflected her desire for ultimate power I couldn't say, but the latter seems more organic, to me, and more reflecting of a realistic world.

I smell more fanfiction on this topic.

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I think that she'd know that the Ultimecia in the past was her.

Susan. That's her real name. It was her hatred of this name that led her to evil.The persecution of sorceresses was a convenient excuse to give her cause legitimacy.

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Originally Posted by nik0tine

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Personally, I don't think that most of the world knew about Ultimecia--if the information survived, it was only within the Garden, and SeeD--which apparently /did/ survive to that point. I personally favor the idea that SeeD became much more militant, but.

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If you go through Delling city you find that there are people who know about her.

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Hm? Well, I suppose that kills that, then. She might've heard about the history, after all. I'll have to replay it.

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Originally Posted by nik0tine

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Personally, I don't think that most of the world knew about Ultimecia--if the information survived, it was only within the Garden, and SeeD--which apparently /did/ survive to that point. I personally favor the idea that SeeD became much more militant, but.

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If you go through Delling city you find that there are people who know about her.

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O.o really? Is there a certain disc/time that you have to visit? I need to go replay FF8 now...thanks alot.

General Caraway knows about Ulti.

Thaaaaaats it!

Many people don´t believe Edea was possessed or don´t know about it.So she becames persecuted becoming Ulti(I am kidding of course).

I think nik was kidding aisle_s.

Have any of you noticed the word 'time' mentioned in Ultimecia. Perhaps that has something to do with the reason her name is Ultimecia and not Clarice or Jenoveeve or whatever her name could have been.

The external reason she's named that is because the creators/translators wanted her to have a suitably impressive name for a final boss (Ultimate is pretty final).

The internal reason is of course never explained, hence the speculation. I doubt the creators gave it any thought.

I myself wonder if she had an inkling that she would be the prophetsized sorceress later on? Would she have embraced such a fate or tried to defy it, the way Oedipus did?

It seems fairly obvious that she tried to defy it. After all, she knew that "a legednary SeeD" was supposed to defeat her, as when she (in Edea) faces Squall in Galbadia Garden, she says "So the time has come. You're the legendary SeeD destined to face me?"

The fact that she then goes on to try and kill him makes it quite clear, at least as far as I'm concerned, that she was defying her so-called 'destiny' at dying at the hands of Squall.

The fact that her ultimate goal is also time compression, something which would literally place her in control of time and fate itself, further backs up the notion that a main motive for Ultimecia is to battle fate itself. Ironically enough, it is her attempt to elude her fate which actually seals it.

I suppose the question then would be when she learned of her fate, eh?