So an athiest walks into a church...

You know, if you don't believe in God that's perfectly fine, but if you run about saying things like "God is da Retardz he don't exist I PWN RELIGION" then that doesn't exactly project a good image to those that ARE religious ~_^.

I'm glad so many people believe different things... There's no reason we shouldn't all live differently, yet together hmm... But for some reason those with religion and those without have become rather nasty to each other. Your lifestyle isn't an excuse to hate everyone who isn't just like you, so leave the church-goers alone O_o

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Originally Posted by LunarWeaver

You know, if you don't believe in God that's perfectly fine, but if you run about saying things like "God is da Retardz he don't exist I PWN RELIGION" then that doesn't exactly project a good image to those that ARE religious ~_^.

I'm glad so many people believe different things... There's no reason we shouldn't all live differently, yet together hmm... But for some reason those with religion and those without have become rather nasty to each other. Your lifestyle isn't an excuse to hate everyone who isn't just like you, so leave the church-goers alone O_o

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Non religious people don't go around knocking on religious peoples doors and talking about how ridiculous they find the bible. So I think it's more a case of church-goers leave the non religious people alone, not the other way around.

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Originally Posted by Anaisa

Non religious people don't go around knocking on religious peoples doors and talking about how ridiculous they find the bible. So I think it's more a case of church-goers leave the non religious people alone, not the other way around.

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You can turn them away. It's easier than you might think. Also, slamming religious people in general for the actions of those who go knocking on doors is a crap thing to do.

EDIT: Also, you probably don't realise just how in-your-face atheism is until you try being religious. And at least those religious people who knock on doors aren't making fun of you or anything. What PG said is very true - teens are generally antagonistic about religion.

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Originally Posted by Loony BoB

You can turn them away. It's easier than you might think. Also, slamming religious people in general for the actions of those who go knocking on doors is a crap thing to do.

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I don't dislike all religious people. And I don't slam all religious people in general because of annoying religious people that knock at my door.

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EDIT: Also, you probably don't realise just how in-your-face atheism is until you try being religious. And at least those religious people who knock on doors aren't making fun of you or anything. What PG said is very true - teens are generally antagonistic about religion.

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Atheism is a lot less in your face than religion is. The amount of churches there are where I live is absurd. And the people who knock at my door are making fun of my intelligence if they think that I'm going to convert to their religion because they've come to my door with some pamphlets. Not to mention that their religion insults me anyway.

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Originally Posted by Anaisa

Atheism is a lot less in your face than religion is. The amount of churches there are where I live is absurd. And the people who knock at my door are making fun of my intelligence if they think that I'm going to convert to their religion because they've come to my door with some pamphlets. Not to mention that their religion insults me anyway.

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Maybe it's just where you live - I've only lived in NZ and the UK, after all. But if you're religious, I assure you, atheism is hugely in your face, especially in the youth environment. I don't have many people talking to me about religion at all outside of atheists these days, and they constantly bring it up. My friends make fun of my beliefs and I've even been told that people have lost respect for my intelligence because I was religious. Atheism seems to be considered to be the 'safe' route for the media, too, which plays a huge part in putting things in your face. I tend to avoid religious discussion because teenagers and young adults make such things seem like a constant battle for me to be allowed to just believe what I want to believe. Maybe you feel the same way in that regard too... I don't know. But I don't attack other beliefs. I just wish people would leave me alone when it comes to mine, though. But instead I have to put up with seeing entries on my LJ friends list mocking my religion on a regular basis. It's pretty disheartening at times.

/personal rant

BoB: that is quite possible for Europe. But I promise you that, in the States, atheism is hiding in the corner rather than in your face, despite what the fundies try to say about the War Against Christianity *cue spooky music*.

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The VERY first thing they respond with is, "Well, you should come to my church, it's great, we could help/improve your relationship with God, it's different/better than other churches..etc.."

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Oh, man, tell me about it. I get this from compleat strngers, and I live in southern California. :rolleyes2

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Jesus died so Mel Gibson could make a movie about it

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Funny. :D

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You know, if you don't believe in God that's perfectly fine, but if you run about saying things like "God is da Retardz he don't exist I PWN RELIGION" then that doesn't exactly project a good image to those that ARE religious ~_^.

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Thank you. I find millitancy irritating no matter who does it.

I once told some guy I hated God and he cried. For hours.

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Originally Posted by Anaisa

Non religious people don't go around knocking on religious peoples doors and talking about how ridiculous they find the bible. So I think it's more a case of church-goers leave the non religious people alone, not the other way around.

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While I have never had anyone knock on my door, dave for one Jehova Witness) I often run into athiests who seem to be adiment on converting Christians - or any faith for that matter. I work with one, whom is very admiment in assalting religion of any sort - mainly christianity.

I will attest and spread the word, but I will never force anyone into Christianty; I know this is not a universal standard, but from personal experience, I would say I have run into a 3:1 oppressive athiest to oppressive christian ratio. I define the oppresive nature as being more of a discrediting nature, as in an athiest calling a christian 'stoopidz' or what have you, or vice versa. I work in a more logistical dominated field, so my exposure is prolly no true control to go by. ;) (I agree with BoB - sound post)

Bipper

I rarely ever met someone with a faith. Being an atheist is very normal in norway, so like 90% of the people I know are atheists. So it's more like "wtf, you're a christian? You should come to my place, we can curse and sloth all day!"

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I often run into athiests who seem to be adiment on converting Christians - or any faith for that matter. I work with one, whom is very admiment in assalting religion of any sort - mainly christianity.

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I hate, hate, HATE people like that. At least Christians have the excuse of wanting to save your soul, what excuse do Atheists have? Live and let live, people.

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Originally Posted by Loony BoB

Maybe it's just where you live - I've only lived in NZ and the UK, after all. But if you're religious, I assure you, atheism is hugely in your face, especially in the youth environment. I don't have many people talking to me about religion at all outside of atheists these days, and they constantly bring it up. My friends make fun of my beliefs and I've even been told that people have lost respect for my intelligence because I was religious. Atheism seems to be considered to be the 'safe' route for the media, too, which plays a huge part in putting things in your face. I tend to avoid religious discussion because teenagers and young adults make such things seem like a constant battle for me to be allowed to just believe what I want to believe. Maybe you feel the same way in that regard too... I don't know. But I don't attack other beliefs. I just wish people would leave me alone when it comes to mine, though. But instead I have to put up with seeing entries on my LJ friends list mocking my religion on a regular basis. It's pretty disheartening at times.

/personal rant

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Here the youngsters don't care enough about religion to even insult it. And they don't know enough about it to do so anyway. So it's really only the religious people you hear talking about religion.

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Originally Posted by Bipper

While I have never had anyone knock on my door, dave for one Jehova Witness) I often run into athiests who seem to be adiment on converting Christians - or any faith for that matter. I work with one, whom is very admiment in assalting religion of any sort - mainly christianity.

I will attest and spread the word, but I will never force anyone into Christianty; I know this is not a universal standard, but from personal experience, I would say I have run into a 3:1 oppressive athiest to oppressive christian ratio. I define the oppresive nature as being more of a discrediting nature, as in an athiest calling a christian 'stoopidz' or what have you, or vice versa. I work in a more logistical dominated field, so my exposure is prolly no true control to go by. (I agree with BoB - sound post)

Bipper

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I've never met anybody that has tried to convert somebody to atheism. And randomly insulting religion to a religious person that hasn't made some reference to you about religion is wrong. But if it's a case where you've provoked them by spouting something religious, you can't complain. Not rightfully anyway.

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Originally Posted by Anaisa

Here the youngsters don't care enough about religion to even insult it. And they don't know enough about it to do so anyway. So it's really only the religious people you hear talking about religion.

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Those people I mentioned that are my friends and mock my religion are, for the most part, Americans. But America is a big place... I don't think any of them live in the "Bible belt" as it seems to be called.

Who mocks you? I think you may not be distinguishing between mocking and discussion (as in, trying to make a point).

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Originally Posted by Anaisa

I've never met anybody that has tried to convert somebody to atheism. And randomly insulting religion to a religious person that hasn't made some reference to you about religion is wrong. But if it's a case where you've provoked them by spouting something religious, you can't complain. Not rightfully anyway.

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Too vauge. If I pray before I eat (silently) and someone desides to dig into me, that is wrong. I guess you can say I instegated, as I existed in that instansiation of time, there for it is my fault.

Most of the people in which I am refering start off with a gerneralized insult towards Jesus, or some 'fallacy', etc just as one would break the ice for a normal conversation. It is quite common, and as an apologetisist, they usually get pissed when I start defending. From there, a few people have come back to me with a retort of such. I must admit, I am not able to answer every question or attack, but my personal ability is neither here nor there. The fact of the matter is simple, there are a higher ratio of Antivangalists (as I will call em) to Evangalists in my daily enviroment.

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Originally Posted by Raistlin

Who mocks you? I think you may not be distinguishing between mocking and discussion (as in, trying to make a point).

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So much grey area /cry

Bipper