Who's the best in Super Smash Brothers Melee?

I can't argue with that. Some characters just suck.

I'm best with Fox, because I used him in the first game so I used him the most in the second game, but I can beat most people with....
(in order of best)
falco, roy, marth, mario, zelda and sheik(I actually use both), kirby, young link, link, peach, samus, pikachu, ganondorf

I never used Captain Falcon cause that was my brothers character, and the only one he would use.

That's one thing about me, I get good with more than one character so I can adapt depending on who they use, cause to be honest, some characters are better than others. Fox or Falco is awesome one on one, but I'd rather take roy, marth, or mario for groups of skilled players.

THE JACKEL

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Originally Posted by CloudDragon

I don't necessarily think you can officially classify another character being "better" than another in the Super Smash Bros. games. Every character has their own strengths and weaknesses, and we will play each character differently.

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What? Of course you can. If there are differences (even a few) then one is automatically better than the other. No question. I'd even go so far and dispute any kind of likelyhood that the changes balance out exactly because it's just so goddamn unlikely.

You're looking at this from the point of view of the casual player, and not the professional.

edit: Hell, you even dispute your own argument two posts later.

Also, tiers don't define who will win. They are there to show that if two people of the same skill level played with any two characters, who is likely to win.

A fair example is someone who plays Shiek, and someone who plays Ness. Shiek is very powerful. So is Ness. But Ness is a LOT slower than Shiek. Already it's looking Shiek > Ness. Then you can consider the time taken to master each character. The average player, on the verge of "pro tactics" can pickup Shiek to a competative level in the time it takes to eat a bowl of kellogs cornflakes. Ness, on the other hand, may take months to learn.

That doesn't answer my question. What makes Fox good? (specific moves, speed what?)

Even though Roy is supposedly middle-tier, I find that he's my best character. Through experience I've found that the best way to use him is to counter any attacks (except throws, which I dodge) that get thrown his way with his Down-B stance, then go and attack the opponent as much as possible, giving them very little time to react or recover.

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Originally Posted by Meta-Knight

Even though Roy is supposedly middle-tier, I find that he's my best character. Through experience I've found that the best way to use him is to counter any attacks (except throws, which I dodge) that get thrown his way with his Down-B stance, then go and attack the opponent as much as possible, giving them very little time to react or recover.

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Hahaha.

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Originally Posted by PontiusPilate

That doesn't answer my question. What makes Fox good? (specific moves, speed what?)

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My post wasn't trying to answer your question. But since you seem indignant, it's because of his Down+B.

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Originally Posted by Master Quan

Marth is lighter, and his D-air is a meteor, not a spike, Fox can't infinite d-throw Falco, and he can't shine combo Marth, Shiek's aerials are a LOT weaker, and she can't chain d-throw, Falco's D-air doesn't spike through the entire animation, Samus can't bomb cancel throws, The Ice Climbers don't have their infinites, Mario is lighter, Link is slightly weaker and can't Up+B spike, Kirby is a LOT heavier, Mr Game and Watch can now be D-thrown by Bowser.

Also, since the top three are weaker in certain aspects it brings the tiers closer together.

I'm fairly sure all of that is valid, but I apologise if it isn't.

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Interesting. I knew about Sheik being weaker, but not some of the other differences, like Marth being lighter etc. I play the PAL version, by the way.

Also, most of Sheik's aerials are actually pretty much the same, from what I've seen. It's just her Up Air that's a whole freking horrible lot weaker. It KO's a mid-weight at about 150%+ in PAL (med-sized stage).

Also... if the IC's doesn't have their infinite in PAL, how come they are still placed higher in PAL? Doesn't really make much sense.

Also, Link doesn't really "suck". Even though he's far from the best character in the game and prett low on the tier list, he's still a decent all around character if you ask me. :greenie:

Anyways... I would still also place Fox the highest on the list because of his stupid Shines and the fact that he's still the fastest overall character in the game. And Sheik being lower than both Peach and Falco? Falco only beat Sheik on FD and Sheik is still pretty much un-counterable (you can't really counter-pick a character VS Sheik). Even without the chain grab and Up A, she still got insane combo potentional and her bitch slap + needles. Oh well... that's just my oppinion, though. :greenie:

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Originally Posted by PontiusPilate

That doesn't answer my question. What makes Fox good? (specific moves, speed what?)

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Fastest overall character in the game, best Up Smash in the game, awesome Up Aerial, best combo potentional in the game and... yeah... his Down B aka the "Shine".

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Originally Posted by Meta-Knight

Even though Roy is supposedly middle-tier, I find that he's my best character. Through experience I've found that the best way to use him is to counter any attacks (except throws, which I dodge) that get thrown his way with his Down-B stance, then go and attack the opponent as much as possible, giving them very little time to react or recover.

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That would never work VS a player who use mindgames. As soon as your opponent is able to predict a counter, you'll get comboed or smashed. Or they could just grab you. Relying on counter won't get you very far, really.

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Originally Posted by Behold the Void

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I don't necessarily think you can officially classify another character being "better" than another in the Super Smash Bros. games. Every character has their own strengths and weaknesses, and we will play each character differently.

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I do contend, however, that Mewtwo and Game and Watch are pretty godawful. I've just not seen them ever used effectively.

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IMO oppinion the only character thats sucks is Bowser.


Mewtwo should be nerfed >_>


just confuse against a wall, and begin carging a shadow ball while facing away from them (but stay right next to him/her) it should spam alot of damage, veeeery fast.

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Originally Posted by Ultima Shadow

Also, most of Sheik's aerials are actually pretty much the same, from what I've seen. It's just her Up Air that's a whole freking horrible lot weaker. It KO's a mid-weight at about 150%+ in PAL (med-sized stage).

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Fair point, I just generalised a little bit and put "aerials".

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Also... if the IC's doesn't have their infinite in PAL, how come they are still placed higher in PAL? Doesn't really make much sense.

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Because of the top few characters being weakened. Shiek had far too easy of a time KOing Nana, and as we all know, Popo - Nana = Doomed.

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Anyways... I would still also place Fox the highest on the list because of his stupid Shines and the fact that he's still the fastest overall character in the game.

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Theoretically, Fox IS the best character. But no one can play him that consistently.

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And Sheik being lower than both Peach and Falco? Falco only beat Sheik on FD and Sheik is still pretty much un-counterable (you can't really counter-pick a character VS Sheik). Even without the chain grab and Up A, she still got insane combo potentional and her bitch slap + needles. Oh well... that's just my oppinion, though. :greenie:

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Without her D-throw, a large proportion of what makes her so easy to use and win with is gone. The potential is still there to combo with her, it's just not as easy.

Also, I would've said Doc semi counters Shiek.

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Originally Posted by Tsukasa

Mewtwo should be nerfed >_>


just confuse against a wall, and begin carging a shadow ball while facing away from them (but stay right next to him/her) it should spam alot of damage, veeeery fast.

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Mewtwo should NOT be nerfed AT ALL. Quite the opposite actually. That strategy won't EVER work against ANYONE. EVER. It can be escaped from so easily it's not even funny.

Mewtwo should be nerfed? Mewtwo is nerfed. Shadow Ball is his only decent move, and it's really not that great, you can't even aim the stupid thing properly.

I think Marth and Captain Falcon are the best, mainly because I have a friend who slaughters any other character I use with Fox.

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Originally Posted by Master Quan

Because of the top few characters being weakened. Shiek had far too easy of a time KOing Nana, and as we all know, Popo - Nana = Doomed.

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Fair enough then. I still think their little nasty glitch would make up for that but... oh well.

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Originally Posted by Master Quan

Theoretically, Fox IS the best character. But no one can play him that consistently.

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People can play him well enough to be more bloody annoying with him than it's possible to be with any other character, though. Not even defensive Sheik's and laser spamming Falco's can be more annoying than a shining Fox. But yeah... I guess Marth could possibly take Fox's place as the top tier champion because of his crazy aerial combos, that are much easier to pull off than any of Fox's combos, not to mention his great grab range and un-matched edge-guarding potentional. Buuuuuuut... if I would edit the list, I would still place Fox on top just because of his shine. :greenie:

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Originally Posted by Master Quan

Without her D-throw, a large proportion of what makes her so easy to use and win with is gone. The potential is still there to combo with her, it's just not as easy.

Also, I would've said Doc semi counters Shiek.

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She's still possibly the easiest character in the game to combo with. Atleast one of the easiest. Far easier than Peach and Falco. I do agree that Peach belongs in top tier... but that doesn't mean Sheik should leave. But even if Peach could be considered better than Sheik in PAL, I really don't think the same could be said about Falco. Yes, short hop laser works wonders, but you can both counter-pick stage and character VS Falco, you can't VS Sheik. Even if you consider Doc a semi-counter, that's only one singel semi-counter out of the entire set of characters. And there's no stage-counter that works good VS Sheik.

I'm not trying to protect Sheik, because I really don't like her. However... the reason I don't like her is because she's so easily played and so easy to combo with. Even in PAL she IS a combo-machine. :greenie:

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Originally Posted by Behold the Void

Mewtwo should be nerfed? Mewtwo is nerfed. Shadow Ball is his only decent move, and it's really not that great, you can't even aim the stupid thing properly.

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And his grabs + throws, neutral aerial and down + side tilts. But those alone are not enough. And it's not only Mewtwo's moveset that sucks. He's extremely easy to combo and instant-KO, he's slow and he's hard to pull off combos with etc. He got a great recovery, though. I can give him that. Sadly, all you need to do is instant-KO him which, like I said before, is far too easy.

I think, in order to fix Mewtwo, they should make him a lot heavier. If Mewtwo was as heavy as Bowser he would soar through the tiers.

I agree with you Quan. Mewtwo pretty much sucks. As for my Roy thing, I suppose I was overreacting a bit. I'm sure that being Counter-happy is too predictable. I can use Roy well enough that I can pretty much dominate anybody else. But since I have yet to use him in official competition, I don't know how good he is.

I will never enter an official competition. Great for all of you people that do. The only competitions I'll have is with my friends, because that's why I play, to have fun with my friends. All this talk about who is better, who cares? Use the character you want to use. Just have fun with it. I mean I can beat my friends with Mewtwo, it's hard, which makes it tons of fun. Just have fun and don't worry about who is "better" because a character can only be as good as the person playing it.

THE JACKEL