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gives you some passive effect and skills and traits, not to the full effect of it being your main, but yeah, combining it can potttttentially make you awesome, for example... subbing a warrior to a Monk Main, maximizes the Monks damage potential.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brendon
so dragoon and then what white mage or warrior as sub
Never sub a mage with a melee unless you're soloing, if you want a healing warrior, go with paladin. Subjob is to maximize your main job, for instance, in your case, warrior is good for DRG, especially 50+ with double attack (which is really good for 2 handed wielders since they have high delay weapons) berserk for weapon skills, and DoT(damage over time), defender for when the tank dies and you need to backup tank, and provoke to save your mages(or tank if something goes wrong). WHM for dragoon is possible, solo, and alittle endgame, however, its adviceable to have dragoon AF2 helmet for the upgraded wyvern breathes(specifically healing breath)
would dragoon as main and dark knight as sub work???
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brendon
Drg/war, or don't drg at all. :3
Actually i am not so sure...theres probably better options though, i heard of DRG/DRK working out but i havent seen any concrete proof of it.
DRK sucks like nothing that has ever sucked before imho. :}
I disagree about them sucking.... I just believe they have grown a bad reputation for themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Misfit
Misfit was a DRK, so that's proof that DRKs do suck! ^_^
DRK with their new absorb-TP aren't bad, nor were they before that even, assuming you did your job correctly and didn't just start using JA's like the world was going to explode.
Nah, DRK's don't suck...
I just didn't like it when I leveled it, s'all. >D
as a rdm ... i have to have a brd in party ... usually because there are like 5 mages in the party with a nin or war tank now if there is a pld tank ... we have 6 mages (or magic usin peeps) in one party and i have to refresh them all .... O HELL NO !!! i get people yelling at me for refresh when there is a 16 second cool down period to reuse plus debuff the mob and enfeeb ... i am but one person. long story short ... i swear by Brd's doesn't matter why they're there ... as long as they use mages ballad :D
I too agree that Dragoons would not not make good tanks. Tanks need either good defence, or abilities that make them hard to hit. Dragoons don't have a lot of defence compared to Warrior and Paladin, and if Dragoon were to sub Ninja for utsusemi (mirror images), he would have a very hard time holding hate (keep making the enemy attack him, and not the rest of the party).
I know I'm repeating all you others now, but a Dragoon tank will die faster than all the common alternatives. Lower defence means you take more damage, which means the healer has to use more MP on keeping you alive. Which means less MP to use on other things, and they will have to rest to regain MP more, which means longer pauses between battles, which again means less experience points per hour.
In my opinon, Ninja/Warrior or Paladin/Warrior are two combinations that are tested to work very good. You should go for one of those. If you get a group of friends later, you can ask them to help you try out other alternatives.
Dragoon's specialty is avoiding hate, not gathering it. Super jump sheds hate. The Drg's 2hr sheds hate and removes hate from another pt member as well. The nature of their DoT coming from two sources (the knight and the wyvern) makes them much less likely to gain hate in the first place. Dragoons aren't just bad tanks; dragoons are the antithesis of everything tank. Of course, before I played XI I would've said the same about ninjas. What can you do? I think the role of samurai and the role of ninja should've been reversed, from a purely conventional standpoint. Samurai would've been the eastern knight counterpart to paladin. Third Eye should've been utsusemi and Samurais could've been a parry tank instead of an evasion tank. But that's neither here nor there, and another tangent altogether. Just thinking out loud.
Paladin and Ninja are the only acceptable tanks in most peoples eyes, Warrior could tank too but it doesn't have very many abilitys to support tanking. I couldn't say which one is the best, they both have their advantages and disadvantages.
Paladins are able to hold hate very well, in fact there should be no reason why anyone else would get hate providing the party co-operates (By co-operates I mean not purposely gaining hate) and as long as they have Refresh the mob is going to find it pretty difficult to damage that sucker.
Ninjas rely on evading attacks, and with Ut(Tab): Ichi and Ni this can be done very well. The problem with Ninja is they can't grab hate very well, Provoke is the only hate gaining measure I've seen them use.
Ninjas always seem to want the Paladin to tank if there is both in the party. This Ninja once did this to me, he was a real idiot and kept telling everyone to listen to what he says because he has three jobs at level 75, this really pissed me off. I got into an arguement with him so I appointed him tank. I was even more pissed off to find that he could out-tank me, his only problem was that even though I was left DDing I was pulling hate off him without trying (I only had +1 Emnity).
Dragoons? They never tank...or get parties for that matter! I myself have nothing against Dragoons, I think they can DD just as well as any other job. They have accuracy boosts instead of attack boosts, what people don't realise is this could actually lead to more damage in the long run, I mean what's the point of having 234324 attack with no accuracy, this means they could also handle acc- equipment better than most other jobs. What's more is they have a Wyvern for additional damage and in some cases support. People are stupid, just because they don't see a ton of damage points in one attack on their screen they automaticly makes the Job void and the worst thing about it is that they have the power in this game to make the Job somewhat of a chore to level up.
Edit: Whoa it seems I went a bit off topic, ah well. :rolleyes2