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08-22-2006, 03:38 AM
G SpOtZ

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Originally Posted by Kefka_Almighty

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Originally Posted by G SpOtZ

(SPOILER)Jenova is not Sephiroth's real mother.

Sephiroth is a crazed maniac, who thinks he knows what's goin on, but he really doesn't. This is why I think he's a great villain, and a "badass". He was cold, he was cool about everything (except for some points with his maniacal laugh), and had a super long sword. He took a giant f***ing snaked and hung it on a giant f***king tree, or whatever the hell that was.

Some people just disagree for the sake of "being different"... You all know he's badass and you all truly love him.

(SPOILER)Actually, I think he probably KNEW Jenova wasn't his real mother. Gast would have had to have mentioned Lucrecia somewhere in all the books he read and the reports Gast had written that he went through. Sephiroth probably just ignored that and merely chose to view Jenova as his mother as justification to view himself as a higher being and to do what he had intended to do, as shoddy as his justification was.

I take it you mean the Midgar Zolom, and he didn't hang it on a tree, he IMPALED that sucker. And while that was cool, what did that really say to the characters other than "Lookee, I can kill a monster like it's nobodies business! Though, maybe, I should've left it to get rid of you........oh well....". Sephiroth WAS cool to an extent, but I don't thing having merely killed a Zolom was that impressive. But like I said earlier, you have to love Masamune. :love: <--What I feel for Masamune

The stuff in your spoiler tags was completely based on speculation. In the game, he had not mentioned ONCE that he knew who his real mother was, and your argument in there isn't really that good. I can't really take it apart, becuase it's all based on speculation, and what you think.

Also, it wasn't the fact that he killed the Midgar Zolem, it's the face the it was "impaled" on a tree. Just look at it... It's like, art. The style was simply cold and incredible.
08-22-2006, 03:41 AM
Goldenboko

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Originally Posted by G SpOtZ

Also, it wasn't the fact that he killed the Midgar Zolem, it's the face the it was "impaled" on a tree. Just look at it... It's like, art. The style was simply cold and incredible.

You guys are starting to scare me... :laugh: :laugh:
With the way Sephiroth works it is very possible he knew about his real mother... remember how at first he claimed to be an ancient he discarded that idea.
08-22-2006, 03:49 AM
Kefka_Almighty

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Originally Posted by G SpOtZ

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Originally Posted by Kefka_Almighty

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Originally Posted by G SpOtZ

(SPOILER)Jenova is not Sephiroth's real mother.

Sephiroth is a crazed maniac, who thinks he knows what's goin on, but he really doesn't. This is why I think he's a great villain, and a "badass". He was cold, he was cool about everything (except for some points with his maniacal laugh), and had a super long sword. He took a giant f***ing snaked and hung it on a giant f***king tree, or whatever the hell that was.

Some people just disagree for the sake of "being different"... You all know he's badass and you all truly love him.

(SPOILER)Actually, I think he probably KNEW Jenova wasn't his real mother. Gast would have had to have mentioned Lucrecia somewhere in all the books he read and the reports Gast had written that he went through. Sephiroth probably just ignored that and merely chose to view Jenova as his mother as justification to view himself as a higher being and to do what he had intended to do, as shoddy as his justification was.

I take it you mean the Midgar Zolom, and he didn't hang it on a tree, he IMPALED that sucker. And while that was cool, what did that really say to the characters other than "Lookee, I can kill a monster like it's nobodies business! Though, maybe, I should've left it to get rid of you........oh well....". Sephiroth WAS cool to an extent, but I don't thing having merely killed a Zolom was that impressive. But like I said earlier, you have to love Masamune. :love: <--What I feel for Masamune

The stuff in your spoiler tags was completely based on speculation. In the game, he had not mentioned ONCE that he knew who his real mother was, and your argument in there isn't really that good. I can't really take it apart, becuase it's all based on speculation, and what you think.

Also, it wasn't the fact that he killed the Midgar Zolem, it's the face the it was "impaled" on a tree. Just look at it... It's like, art. The style was simply cold and incredible.

I'll give you that, yes, it WAS based on speculation. However, don't you think it would've been odd that, in all his official reports which would've been seen by Shinra, Gast wouldn't have given ANY explanation about Lucrecia, the birth itself, ect? Even if his employers already KNEW Lucrecia was the real mother, it still would have been customary to have mentioned her in the reports, which we know Sephiroth read through. To have completely excluded her would have been horribly unlikely and unprofessional.
08-22-2006, 12:16 PM
Araciel

i think sephiroth was kinda cool...he was so powerful in his early days (the flashback just after leaving midgar) that he didn't know his place in the world, didn't even care. then later he discovers some bits of the truth and goes on a rampage...he impaled the midgar zolom not to inspire awe or fear, seeing as how he probably didn't know anyone would even get across the marsh to find it...it was just something he did, like...i don't know, killing dragons in a couple of moves (see again the flashback) this was a plot device to inspire some kind of fear or admiration for this living legend in the game world. just because he did an evil thing by sneak attacking a girl who can't fight her way out of a wet paper bag doesn't make him a wuss, it makes him evil.
08-22-2006, 12:43 PM
boys from the dwarf

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Originally Posted by Zeromus_X

omg! People like Sephiroth! He must be overrated! :cat:

i know what you mean. thats how a lot of people react to people saying FF7 is overrated. ive noticed that a majority of people on this site down have FF7 as there favourite. if we took a poll and everyone voted i dont think FF7 would win it and even if it did thats not saying its overrated.

i like sephiroth and hes a good enemy but seems as he never does much apart from be "badass" hes not on my list of favourite enemies. hes doesnt even come close compared to most FF enemies. but hes still great. his past and backstory and his cruel, heartless attitude are what make him good. hes a good enemy and people like him but he is not overrated.
08-22-2006, 12:52 PM
Eminem's_No.1_Fan

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Originally Posted by Goldenboco

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Originally Posted by 42manZ

Are you kidding me, my 3 year old cousin, is a better villan then him.

Also I assume your cousin can do this
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fCZKM5eTT...elated&search=

you never know.
08-22-2006, 01:27 PM
The Crystal

I think that Sephiroth have everything to be a great villain, with exception of his personality. He don't have any. But i like him anyway.

And you guys don't think that Sephiroth changed during the story? Before the game, he was a living legend and the most powerfull man in the world. He don't was afraid of anyone. But when he return of the Lifestream(after he fell in it, in Nibelheim), he is allways running away when you find him, and is allways using others to fight for him(Jenova's pieces, the Weapons, the SHM, etc). He killed Aerith by her back too, and during half of the game, he is protected inside a barrier in the Northern Crater. After Sephiroth gained Jenova's powers, he begun to use more his head, instead of just his muscles, but he becomed a little coward too.
08-22-2006, 02:30 PM
boys from the dwarf

his personality is actually pretty well done in FF7. the way he changes and the way he acts after he changes.
08-22-2006, 04:38 PM
Ryushikaze

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Originally Posted by Kefka_Almighty

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Originally Posted by G SpOtZ

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Originally Posted by Kefka_Almighty

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Originally Posted by G SpOtZ

(SPOILER)Jenova is not Sephiroth's real mother.

Sephiroth is a crazed maniac, who thinks he knows what's goin on, but he really doesn't. This is why I think he's a great villain, and a "badass". He was cold, he was cool about everything (except for some points with his maniacal laugh), and had a super long sword. He took a giant f***ing snaked and hung it on a giant f***king tree, or whatever the hell that was.

Some people just disagree for the sake of "being different"... You all know he's badass and you all truly love him.

(SPOILER)Actually, I think he probably KNEW Jenova wasn't his real mother. Gast would have had to have mentioned Lucrecia somewhere in all the books he read and the reports Gast had written that he went through. Sephiroth probably just ignored that and merely chose to view Jenova as his mother as justification to view himself as a higher being and to do what he had intended to do, as shoddy as his justification was.

I take it you mean the Midgar Zolom, and he didn't hang it on a tree, he IMPALED that sucker. And while that was cool, what did that really say to the characters other than "Lookee, I can kill a monster like it's nobodies business! Though, maybe, I should've left it to get rid of you........oh well....". Sephiroth WAS cool to an extent, but I don't thing having merely killed a Zolom was that impressive. But like I said earlier, you have to love Masamune. :love: <--What I feel for Masamune

The stuff in your spoiler tags was completely based on speculation. In the game, he had not mentioned ONCE that he knew who his real mother was, and your argument in there isn't really that good. I can't really take it apart, becuase it's all based on speculation, and what you think.

Also, it wasn't the fact that he killed the Midgar Zolem, it's the face the it was "impaled" on a tree. Just look at it... It's like, art. The style was simply cold and incredible.

I'll give you that, yes, it WAS based on speculation. However, don't you think it would've been odd that, in all his official reports which would've been seen by Shinra, Gast wouldn't have given ANY explanation about Lucrecia, the birth itself, ect? Even if his employers already KNEW Lucrecia was the real mother, it still would have been customary to have mentioned her in the reports, which we know Sephiroth read through. To have completely excluded her would have been horribly unlikely and unprofessional.

Hojo is the DEFINITION of unprofessional. He's also unscientific, secretive, and plum bollocks loco.
The man considered a lion and a human viable mating partners for smeg's sake. The man most likely edited the reports to remove Lucrecia, make himself look better, among other things.
08-22-2006, 05:07 PM
Goldenboko

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Originally Posted by Eminem's_No.1_Fan

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Originally Posted by Goldenboco

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Originally Posted by 42manZ

Are you kidding me, my 3 year old cousin, is a better villan then him.

Also I assume your cousin can do this
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fCZKM5eTT...elated&search=

you never know.

If his cousin could do that I'd find out where he lives and enlist him in my plot to take over the world (Insert Kefka's laugh here http://www.rpgamer.com/games/ff/ff6/sounds/au/kefka.au )
08-22-2006, 06:09 PM
chronic_Maniac

Anything that was good, then turned on the world is a badass. To go as far as he did yeah thats cool too. He was the only one up against everything that hated him. He always seemed to be there when he needed to. That means he watched the entire world for his chance to strike. Anyways its all about if you like the game or not. Go and rent the matrix or starwars or even devil may cry. Nothing compares to an idea.
08-22-2006, 08:20 PM
Dreddz

Sephiroth suffered from being too good a villain, anything that people rave about with at one point be called overrated. Sephiroth had a intresting background, and fitted well into the game.
08-22-2006, 09:11 PM
The Crystal

The only problem with Sephiroth is his cliché personality and cliché lines. Excluding this, he is a very good villain.
08-22-2006, 09:38 PM
Dragon Mage

Erm..I would like to point out something.
1) He never fought the chars directly until the very end. Before that he always made Jenova fight you. What kind of man sicks his mother on his enemys?

2)He's insane. We all know this, so lets not pussy-foot around it. He's cunningly insane, yes, but the point is he's not mentally stable. And you can't take an insane man seriously.

3)Yeah, sword was nice. But that's the extent of his coolness. He's just another long-haired pretty boy. It seems to me that saving the world means finding the right long-haired pretty boy and beating him up. I mean, what kind of 'cool' man walks around with waist-length hair? Certainly not a secure one.

4)He has major ego problems. He runs around with a shiny sharp piece of metal, clinging to mommy and out to destroy the world. He must be so depressed that he feels he has to destroy the world as well as him self in his suicide attempt.

And this is the man that people claim is so cool? Crap, I must be missing something, because he sure doesn't seem that awesome to me. I belive an explaination is in order or else, just shut up! 'Cause I'm tired of hearing what a bad ass he is. He mad a good bad guy, sure. But he doesn't deserve even an eighth of the credit that people give him. Sheesh.
08-22-2006, 09:58 PM
f f freak

Okay there might be quite a few spoilers in this post but anyway here goes.

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Originally Posted by Dragon Mage

He's insane. We all know this, so lets not pussy-foot around it. He's cunningly insane, yes, but the point is he's not mentally stable. And you can't take an insane man seriously

Oh so you can't take Kefka seriously? I mean Kefka was definetly on at least the verge of insanity. And he poisoned a castle, Killed a general and the Emperor. I take both of them seriously.

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Originally Posted by Dragon mage

He never fought the chars directly until the very end. Before that he always made Jenova fight you. What kind of man sicks his mother on his enemys?

That's because for most of the game he was stuck in a crater. Also he doesn't sick his mother on enemies. As far as I know Lucrecia was in a cave.

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Originally Posted by Dragon Mage

He has major ego problems. He runs around with a shiny sharp piece of metal clinging to mommy and out to destroy the world. He must be so depressed that he feels he has to destroy the world as well as him self in his suicide attempt

I'm sorry but have you actually played this game. He has a whole frickin master plan and the best part is that his master plan won't result in suicide because if you play the game you'll know that he intends to make a wound in the planet large enough for all of the lifestream have to come together to heal it. And guess who will be stood there when the lifestream arrive. Sephiroth. His plan never had anything to do with suicide. He had it all planned out. From getting Jenova to kill Aeris to having Cloud give him the black materia.

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